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[sonour]

Ref todays game, I see Russia are evens to kick off today, with Saudi about 1.8 to kick off, why is there such a discrepancy? Assume Russia would have a particular preference of an end in which to play to?

Non-host team has kicked off in the last 3 WCs, I believe.

Before that it was the previous champ who played the opener, rather than the host. Not sure if same principle applied then.

Somewhere in the back of my mind Fred bet on this in South Africa 2010.

Feed was just a twinkle in Camel's eye in 2010.

The big kick off bet I recall on Fred was the one Phil (bobby1) gave us in Super Bowl.

It was 2014. i posted it but then we decided to delete the post.

[Bazzaboy]

It’s a genuine flip though. The winner of the toss chooses which side. The loser of the toss kicks off. Unless the toss is rigged then it’s a flip.

[Tal]

Thanks, sonour. Thought I was going mad.

It’s a genuine flip though. The winner of the toss chooses which side. The loser of the toss kicks off. Unless the toss is rigged then it’s a flip.

Do you have a source for that? I couldn't find one (and probably couldn't 4 years ago either).

This is the 4th World Cup in a row where the away team has kicked off in the opener. If it's a pure coin flip, it's a 15/1 shot.

Could it be a special arrangement for the opening WC game?

[Doobs]

Thanks, sonour. Thought I was going mad.

It’s a genuine flip though. The winner of the toss chooses which side. The loser of the toss kicks off. Unless the toss is rigged then it’s a flip.

Do you have a source for that? I couldn't find one (and probably couldn't 4 years ago either).

This is the 4th World Cup in a row where the away team has kicked off in the opener. If it's a pure coin flip, it's a 15/1 shot.

Could it be a special arrangement for the opening WC game?

It is an even money shot.   The past doesn't matter when flipping coins.  Unless you have some pretty strong evidence there is for this to be anon-random event, then just assume it is.

[Doobs]

I think the NFL one had a special reason, like one team always liked to receive and the other liked to kick off or similar?

[Tal]

Thanks, sonour. Thought I was going mad.

It’s a genuine flip though. The winner of the toss chooses which side. The loser of the toss kicks off. Unless the toss is rigged then it’s a flip.

Do you have a source for that? I couldn't find one (and probably couldn't 4 years ago either).

This is the 4th World Cup in a row where the away team has kicked off in the opener. If it's a pure coin flip, it's a 15/1 shot.

Could it be a special arrangement for the opening WC game?

It is an even money shot.   The past doesn't matter when flipping coins.  Unless you have some pretty strong evidence there is for this to be anon-random event, then just assume it is.

No, I mean it's 15/1 for 4 aways in a row, assuming it's 50/50 who kicks off. The event as a whole is four coin tosses.

I think the NFL one had a special reason, like one team always liked to receive and the other liked to kick off or similar?

That's a bit different, but similar. Here it's whether there's an agreement (possibly a Blatter-era FIFA initiative like so many others) that the host welcomes the visitor to make the first pass.

[TightEnd]

Leaderboard
-1 Henley, Piercy, Poulter, D. Johnson

E Dufner

Selected:

+1 Rose, Hoffman, Snedeker, Stenson

+2 Noren, Rodgers

+3 Cabrera-Bello, Fitzpatrick, Casey, Fowler,

+4 Kuchar, Oosthuizen, J. Thomas

+5 Kopeka, Hatton, Willett, Garcia, Lowry

+6 Fleetwood, Simpson

+7 Mickelson, Watson

+8 Spieth, Woods, Kaymer, Rahm

+10 McIlroy

rough old day and only going to get rougher as it firms up

[Doobs]

Thanks, sonour. Thought I was going mad.

It’s a genuine flip though. The winner of the toss chooses which side. The loser of the toss kicks off. Unless the toss is rigged then it’s a flip.

Do you have a source for that? I couldn't find one (and probably couldn't 4 years ago either).

This is the 4th World Cup in a row where the away team has kicked off in the opener. If it's a pure coin flip, it's a 15/1 shot.

Could it be a special arrangement for the opening WC game?

It is an even money shot.   The past doesn't matter when flipping coins.  Unless you have some pretty strong evidence there is for this to be anon-random event, then just assume it is.

No, I mean it's 15/1 for 4 aways in a row, assuming it's 50/50 who kicks off. The event as a whole is four coin tosses.

I think the NFL one had a special reason, like one team always liked to receive and the other liked to kick off or similar?

That's a bit different, but similar. Here it's whether there's an agreement (possibly a Blatter-era FIFA initiative like so many others) that the host welcomes the visitor to make the first pass.

It is 7/1 now, as the first event doesn't matter.   You'd be just as surprised if there were 3 home tosses in a row as 3 away tosses in a row.  It was 3/1 before today, which is an even less sigificant result.  [Probability 2nd result is same as first result = 0.5.  Probabilty 3rd result is same 2nd result = 0.5.  Probability all 3 are the same is 0.5 x 0.5 = 0.25 or 3/1.   

It isn't similar to the NFL situation.  If the toss for the kick-off was rigged, do you not think one of the players, officials and other onlookers would have mentioned it? 

All seems a stretch to me. 

Streaks happen in random events, and randomness seems a way more likely reason than rigging. 

Anyway,  need sleep, gn.

[horseplayer]

Anything to back up the golf is going to get harder?

Read a few bits this morning stating the players will adapt to the greens and the wind is due to die down a lot.

The spread firms have the winning scoring 10 under btw so they expect it to get easier as well

[Bazzaboy]

Thanks, sonour. Thought I was going mad.

It’s a genuine flip though. The winner of the toss chooses which side. The loser of the toss kicks off. Unless the toss is rigged then it’s a flip.

Do you have a source for that? I couldn't find one (and probably couldn't 4 years ago either).

This is the 4th World Cup in a row where the away team has kicked off in the opener. If it's a pure coin flip, it's a 15/1 shot.

Could it be a special arrangement for the opening WC game?

Law 8: The start and restart of play.

Kick off
PROCEDURE
the team that wins the toss of a coin decides which goal it will attack in the first half
their opponents take the kick-off
the team that wins the toss takes the kick-off to start the second half

They carried out the toss as normal yesterday and Russia won it. It seems rather fanciful that they would rig the toss just so the visitors could kick off.

[TightEnd]

Anything to back up the golf is going to get harder?

Read a few bits this morning stating the players will adapt to the greens and the wind is due to die down a lot.

The spread firms have the winning scoring 10 under btw so they expect it to get easier as well

just that yesterday was rain softened, that the wind yesterday will dry it out (no rain forecast) and already the greens were ridiculous

[kukushkin88]

Anything to back up the golf is going to get harder?

Read a few bits this morning stating the players will adapt to the greens and the wind is due to die down a lot.

The spread firms have the winning scoring 10 under btw so they expect it to get easier as well

just that yesterday was rain softened, that the wind yesterday will dry it out (no rain forecast) and already the greens were ridiculous

I don’t see how it gets to -10. Loving the early starters today though, looking hot and sunny all three days. Has to mean tough greens, I agree with Tighty.

[Karabiner]

Anything to back up the golf is going to get harder?

Read a few bits this morning stating the players will adapt to the greens and the wind is due to die down a lot.

The spread firms have the winning scoring 10 under btw so they expect it to get easier as well

just that yesterday was rain softened, that the wind yesterday will dry it out (no rain forecast) and already the greens were ridiculous

I don’t see how it gets to -10. Loving the early starters today though, looking hot and sunny all three days. Has to mean tough greens, I agree with Tighty.

The USGA can almost determine the winning score by how they set the course up - not sure they would have -10 in their minds.

[Tal]

Bazza, Doobs, thanks for your responses.

I've got four years to convince myself again.

[kukushkin88]

Anything to back up the golf is going to get harder?

Read a few bits this morning stating the players will adapt to the greens and the wind is due to die down a lot.

The spread firms have the winning scoring 10 under btw so they expect it to get easier as well

just that yesterday was rain softened, that the wind yesterday will dry it out (no rain forecast) and already the greens were ridiculous

I don’t see how it gets to -10. Loving the early starters today though, looking hot and sunny all three days. Has to mean tough greens, I agree with Tighty.

The USGA can almost determine the winning score by how they set the course up - not sure they would have -10 in their minds.

I’ve always liked the ‘par should win’ ethos.