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[tikay]

If anyone wants to get on a bet at Evens when it should be short price odds-on?

Here's one for you

http://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/politics/british-politics/south-shields-by-election-e216944105-m228702791

UKIP in the upcoming South Shields By-election..to finish second


See very little chance, in this all time safe Labour constituency, that the 20% who voted Tory last time don't move big time to the UKIP

that 20% was 7,886 votes in 2010 and just over 5,000 votes in 2005 and 2001 in what is a very small constiuency

UKIP have never fielded a candidate in this constituency

UKIP can poll 4-5k votes from LD and Cons in the by-election. Yes, I am pretty sure they can

Money tied up til 2nd May.

 

Thanks Rich.

I would have lumped on at Evens, but I have been Offline all day, @ 8/11, I've missed the boat.

It is just feels SO bad to take 8/11 when Evens was there hours ago.

[tikay]

"then with the polished version of their message that UKIP provides"

Not sure I agree with this considering BNP have mostly left wing policies, whereas UKIP are right wing.  Obviously I agree both are anti immigration and UKIP could pick up the knuckledragger racist vote, but that doesn't mean that they have the same ideology.

On the basis that I thought Dung might have been wrong I just looked up UKIP's immigration policy.  How wrong I was.  Farage has done an incredible job of making a party with such a right wing agenda seem respectable.

Farage was speaker at a St Georges do I was at last year. Superb, and speaks mucho sense if we are ever to turn the ship round in so many ways in this country.

Godwin's law anyone?

Boom!

[Nico29]

Still not sure how the bnp are left wing in their ideologies? Seem as right wing as can be.

Just reading wikipedia and see that the aforementioned repulsive bnp have many parish council members as most can run unopposed. The thought of these parasites having any input on society truely sickens me.

[AlunB]

Still not sure how the bnp are left wing in their ideologies? Seem as right wing as can be.

Just reading wikipedia and see that the aforementioned repulsive bnp have many parish council members as most can run unopposed. The thought of these parasites having any input on society truely sickens me.

"We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people.
 
To that end the BNP will restore our economy and land to British ownership and will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants."

That's definitely not a right-wing economic strategy. Just to be VERY clear here I am not in any way a supporter. I find them as repulsive as you.

[BigAdz]

"then with the polished version of their message that UKIP provides"

Not sure I agree with this considering BNP have mostly left wing policies, whereas UKIP are right wing.  Obviously I agree both are anti immigration and UKIP could pick up the knuckledragger racist vote, but that doesn't mean that they have the same ideology.

On the basis that I thought Dung might have been wrong I just looked up UKIP's immigration policy.  How wrong I was.  Farage has done an incredible job of making a party with such a right wing agenda seem respectable.

Farage was speaker at a St Georges do I was at last year. Superb, and speaks mucho sense if we are ever to turn the ship round in so many ways in this country.

Godwin's law anyone?

Isnt that something to do with mentioning Hitler.

Not sure what u r suggesting?!

[DungBeetle]

"The far-right party, the BNP, have mostly left-wing policies?"

People want to pigeon hole them as far right and it's understandable if you don't read their manifesto, but in reality they are a racist left wing party.

If you strip away their racist nonsense, they argue for:

- dramatically increased NHS spending
- increased worker rights
- increased state pensions
- state ownership of key industries

The are far more to the left than Labour in terms of economic and State control outlook.

[DungBeetle]

"They are socially right-wing and fiscally left-wing AFAIK"

This nails it I think - better than my ramblings in any case.

[DungBeetle]

"Just to be VERY clear here I am not in any way a supporter. I find them as repulsive as you."

And me!!

[AlunB]

"then with the polished version of their message that UKIP provides"

Not sure I agree with this considering BNP have mostly left wing policies, whereas UKIP are right wing.  Obviously I agree both are anti immigration and UKIP could pick up the knuckledragger racist vote, but that doesn't mean that they have the same ideology.

On the basis that I thought Dung might have been wrong I just looked up UKIP's immigration policy.  How wrong I was.  Farage has done an incredible job of making a party with such a right wing agenda seem respectable.

Farage was speaker at a St Georges do I was at last year. Superb, and speaks mucho sense if we are ever to turn the ship round in so many ways in this country.

Godwin's law anyone?

Isnt that something to do with mentioning Hitler.

Not sure what u r suggesting?!

It was just a throwaway joke, as it seemed the perfect opportunity for someone to draw a comparison to another famously impressive orator.

I repeat, it was just a joke.

[BigAdz]

LOL, Not a problem Alun.

More worried that I had got my laws muddled.....I'm not the brightest of chaps

[AlunB]

Jolly good Most definitely did not want to end up in a row about politics. I must learn to resist obvious jokes...

[Nico29]

Cheers alun and dung, learn something everyday.

[DungBeetle]

Wouldn't bother repeating it though.  I raised this point at a dinner party once and the rest of the table

A) thought I was a nutter
B) thought I was a supporter

[redarmi]

"The far-right party, the BNP, have mostly left-wing policies?"

People want to pigeon hole them as far right and it's understandable if you don't read their manifesto, but in reality they are a racist left wing party.

If you strip away their racist nonsense, they argue for:

- dramatically increased NHS spending
- increased worker rights
- increased state pensions
- state ownership of key industries

The are far more to the left than Labour in terms of economic and State control outlook.

Keep going you nearly have me reaching for my postal vote ;-)

[Waz1892]

any opinions on Sunderland to be relegated? they are currently 5/2 to go down with bet365.

they just announced that Fletcher and Cattermole are out for the rest of the season.

they are 4 points above Wigan having played a game more, im just not sure how many points they will pick up the rest of the season with a tough run in.


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