Tips for Tikay

[Tal]

Don't forget the Melbourne Renegades, the Hobart Hurricanes, the Alice Springs Chazzwozzers and the Sydney Jameses

[tikay]

Hales plays for the Adelaide Strikers.

Ahh, thanks, my bad.

They play on Sunday.

[Eso Kral]

One for discussion with the golf elders before a bet but what are peoples thoughts on

Tiger Woods to win 2 or 3 majors in 2014 (2 seperate bets) with the main bet being 2 but a mini banzai saver on 3?

http://www.oddschecker.com/golf/season-specials/tiger-woods/total-majors-2014

It is obvious that Tiger has had some well documented troubles but he seemed to fare better in 2013 although not in the majors however in his defense in those away from Augusta the courses played do not suit as much as the venues for 2014 where they visit some very Tiger friendly venues.

Tiger himself seems a very horses for courses type player and although many of the stats are scewed from when he was crushing the game but this year alone he won 5 tournaments on courses he plays well.

Farmers Insurance - Won 7 times plus a 2008 Us Open on the course
WGC @ Doral - Won twice plus 2 x Doral opens
Arnold Palmer Invitational - Won 8 times
The Players Championship at TPC - Won twice
WGC at Firestone - Won 8 times

The 2014 venues are

Augusta in April where he has finished in the top 10 in all bar 6 tournaments played there and is where the marketers dream shot was played (from 1m30s)



US Open at Pinehurst in June - Tiger has never won here but has finished runner up in 2005 and also has a course 3rd place finish to boot.

The Open at Hoylake in July - Tiger won when the Open last visited Hoylake in 2006

and finally

The USPGA in August at Valhalla where Tiger holed this putt below to get into a playoff in 2000 which he subsequently won, hopefully we will see some more finger pointing the ball in to the hole!!!



So the courses seem to suit his game and he seems to have come out the other side of his issues plus has limited opportunites to break Jack Nicklaus's record ( maybe another 6 years) so we can assume he will see 2014 as a decent opportunity to bag numbers 14 + 15.

He is priced at between 11/2 - 7/1 with most the firms Fred can get on with but rather than back dbls and trebles I personally dont think we miss out on too much by taking the LADBROKES 10/1 & 40/1 respectively for a season golf sweat and if endorsed by someone with a greater golfing knowledge than myself would recc

£43 on Tiger to win 2 Majors in 2014 @ 10/1 Ladbrokes and
£7 Tiger to win 3 Majors in 2014 @ 40/1 Ladbrokes

Thoughts?

[hector62]

Morning Mr T.

I know you like your slightly quirky bets and I have one for you in tonight's rugby between Sale and London Irish. I started off wanting to back Sale, and look at the points overs. However once I got to the stage of looking at the weather forecast, the overs were removed from the options. It is due to get very wet from about 8ish tonight, which makes playing and scoring points very hard. I have noticed a tendency, particularly in the Heineken cup knock out stages, of the 1st half having the most points. I looked at the home matches of Sale and 2 of the 4 had most points in the 1st half. One of the others was against Worcester, bottom of the table and clearly not a competitive side so I would expect them to be awful in the 2nd half.

If we factor in the rain then I think getting odds against for the 1st half is a decent bet. Playing rugby in the cold and wet, with a wet shirt after 60 mins is not easy.

Suggest £20 !st half most points @ 6/5 with Paddy Power.

[Marky147]

I'm presuming Mackay has gone, because he's 1/10 with Sid and 1/16 with BMU.

However, he is 2/5 with Bwin if anyone likes punting at those prices...

[tikay]

I'm presuming Mackay has gone, because he's 1/10 with Sid and 1/16 with BMU.

However, he is 2/5 with Bwin if anyone likes punting at those prices...

I don't think he has gone, but I was looking for the Market on Oddschecker this morning & I could not find it. Which I hoped was a good sign.

He never took the regular Friday morning Press Conference this morning, apparently.

[KarmaDope]

I'm presuming Mackay has gone, because he's 1/10 with Sid and 1/16 with BMU.

However, he is 2/5 with Bwin if anyone likes punting at those prices...

Not yet, the owner will decide whether to sack him before or after the Liverpool match today apparently.

They've also opened up talks with his replacement.

If I was him I'd immediately be suing for constructive dismissal or something like that.

[horseplayer]

very rare i say this but the 2/5 is a cracking price if anybody has the wares to get on at that price

"Cardiff City's managerial target is understood to be a household name currently in work at another British club."

The next manager market may not last to long, can only presume it is a Championship manager (which premier manager would leave at a whim to join Cardiff?)

My guess at this very early stage would be Paul Ince

[Doobs]

One for discussion with the golf elders before a bet but what are peoples thoughts on

Tiger Woods to win 2 or 3 majors in 2014 (2 seperate bets) with the main bet being 2 but a mini banzai saver on 3?

http://www.oddschecker.com/golf/season-specials/tiger-woods/total-majors-2014

It is obvious that Tiger has had some well documented troubles but he seemed to fare better in 2013 although not in the majors however in his defense in those away from Augusta the courses played do not suit as much as the venues for 2014 where they visit some very Tiger friendly venues.

Tiger himself seems a very horses for courses type player and although many of the stats are scewed from when he was crushing the game but this year alone he won 5 tournaments on courses he plays well.

Farmers Insurance - Won 7 times plus a 2008 Us Open on the course
WGC @ Doral - Won twice plus 2 x Doral opens
Arnold Palmer Invitational - Won 8 times
The Players Championship at TPC - Won twice
WGC at Firestone - Won 8 times

The 2014 venues are

Augusta in April where he has finished in the top 10 in all bar 6 tournaments played there and is where the marketers dream shot was played (from 1m30s)



US Open at Pinehurst in June - Tiger has never won here but has finished runner up in 2005 and also has a course 3rd place finish to boot.

The Open at Hoylake in July - Tiger won when the Open last visited Hoylake in 2006

and finally

The USPGA in August at Valhalla where Tiger holed this putt below to get into a playoff in 2000 which he subsequently won, hopefully we will see some more finger pointing the ball in to the hole!!!



So the courses seem to suit his game and he seems to have come out the other side of his issues plus has limited opportunites to break Jack Nicklaus's record ( maybe another 6 years) so we can assume he will see 2014 as a decent opportunity to bag numbers 14 + 15.

He is priced at between 11/2 - 7/1 with most the firms Fred can get on with but rather than back dbls and trebles I personally dont think we miss out on too much by taking the LADBROKES 10/1 & 40/1 respectively for a season golf sweat and if endorsed by someone with a greater golfing knowledge than myself would recc

£43 on Tiger to win 2 Majors in 2014 @ 10/1 Ladbrokes and
£7 Tiger to win 3 Majors in 2014 @ 40/1 Ladbrokes

Thoughts?

I don't think we can get doubles and trebles on because they are related.  The 40/1 looks to be obviously a terrible price to me.  He is 8/1 to win each of the last 3 right now, but you want to take 40/1 he wins 2 of those and the masters or all 3.  I know his price will shorten if he wins the masters, but nowhere near enough to make that value.

The 2 majors bet is equivalent to 3 6.5 x 9 doubles (57.5/1) and 3 9x9 doubles (80/1).  Without adding it up that is bigger than 10/1, plus we only get paid once on our "doubles" if we have taken the Laddies special price.  Again if he wins a major the price on a second shortens, but even then I don't think it shortens enough to make the bet value.

Finally it is with Laddies, and that means spending half a lifetime on their website, only to find they are only going to let us get half a farthing on.  This is despite printing money on the 40/1.

If we have an edge backing Tiger, I am sure it is better just to take the best price or wait for the offers and do it at the time.  

FWIW what you say about him favouring certain courses seems to hold true from what I have seen, just don't think this is the way to back that.

[tikay]

Morning Mr T.

I know you like your slightly quirky bets and I have one for you in tonight's rugby between Sale and London Irish. I started off wanting to back Sale, and look at the points overs. However once I got to the stage of looking at the weather forecast, the overs were removed from the options. It is due to get very wet from about 8ish tonight, which makes playing and scoring points very hard. I have noticed a tendency, particularly in the Heineken cup knock out stages, of the 1st half having the most points. I looked at the home matches of Sale and 2 of the 4 had most points in the 1st half. One of the others was against Worcester, bottom of the table and clearly not a competitive side so I would expect them to be awful in the 2nd half.

If we factor in the rain then I think getting odds against for the 1st half is a decent bet. Playing rugby in the cold and wet, with a wet shirt after 60 mins is not easy.

Suggest £20 !st half most points @ 6/5 with Paddy Power.

Thanks hector, I never quite know what to expect from you. That passes the Quirk Test though.

Mr Paddy Power got his MAX Stick out at £5.42, which we took @ 6/5, so we had £15 @ 11/10 with BMU as well, so we are not far short.

BETS PLACED

[rinswun]

I think that Tiger bet is pretty poor all round. Sure, he is still the best golfer in the world but the standard of the rest of the field is now significantly higher than when he was taking people to task a decade ago. He hasn't won a major in 5 years partly because of injury and form but also because he hasn't had that same aura of invincibility ever since being chased down by YE Yang in the 2009 PGA Championship. If we're basing the bet on a horses for courses approach, I'd much rather back him double stakes e/w solely for the Masters when the concessions come out and someone offers 7 places at 6/1. We know his history at August over a much bigger sample would be a more desirable proposition imo.

[tikay]

I think that Tiger bet is pretty poor all round. Sure, he is still the best golfer in the world but the standard of the rest of the field is now significantly higher than when he was taking people to task a decade ago. He hasn't won a major in 5 years partly because of injury and form but also because he hasn't had that same aura of invincibility ever since being chased down by YE Yang in the 2009 PGA Championship. If we're basing the bet on a horses for courses approach, I'd much rather back him double stakes e/w solely for the Masters when the concessions come out and someone offers 7 places at 6/1. We know his history at August over a much bigger sample would be a more desirable proposition imo.

Agreed, but by Eso Kral's standards, it was a great one.

He gave us Walsall to go Up/Down/Middle last season. They all lost.

This Season he gave us Tranmere to do something. God knows what it was, I dare not look.

Eso is Fred-speak for negative variance.

[BigAdz]

I think that Tiger bet is pretty poor all round. Sure, he is still the best golfer in the world but the standard of the rest of the field is now significantly higher than when he was taking people to task a decade ago. He hasn't won a major in 5 years partly because of injury and form but also because he hasn't had that same aura of invincibility ever since being chased down by YE Yang in the 2009 PGA Championship. If we're basing the bet on a horses for courses approach, I'd much rather back him double stakes e/w solely for the Masters when the concessions come out and someone offers 7 places at 6/1. We know his history at August over a much bigger sample would be a more desirable proposition imo.

pretty much this. To my mind he is one of 10 plus each week you start with, to look at to whittle it down.

He has lost the invincible tag, and didn't he just get beat in his own specialist Tourney a week or so ago going into the final round with a two shot lead. Never would have happened ten years ago.

Not a bet for me I'm afraid Eso.

[Marky147]

very rare i say this but the 2/5 is a cracking price if anybody has the wares to get on at that price

"Cardiff City's managerial target is understood to be a household name currently in work at another British club."

The next manager market may not last to long, can only presume it is a Championship manager (which premier manager would leave at a whim to join Cardiff?)

My guess at this very early stage would be Paul Ince

Not for me either, but I turned down the 5/1 because I had missed the 14/1 by an hour or so

[Eso Kral]

I think that Tiger bet is pretty poor all round. Sure, he is still the best golfer in the world but the standard of the rest of the field is now significantly higher than when he was taking people to task a decade ago. He hasn't won a major in 5 years partly because of injury and form but also because he hasn't had that same aura of invincibility ever since being chased down by YE Yang in the 2009 PGA Championship. If we're basing the bet on a horses for courses approach, I'd much rather back him double stakes e/w solely for the Masters when the concessions come out and someone offers 7 places at 6/1. We know his history at August over a much bigger sample would be a more desirable proposition imo.

Agreed, but by Eso Kral's standards, it was a great one.

He gave us Walsall to go Up/Down/Middle last season. They all lost.

This Season he gave us Tranmere to do something. God knows what it was, I dare not look.

Eso is Fred-speak for negative variance.

Cool glad I maxed it before I was rebuffed obv

Ps we backed Tranmere for relegation at the moment...