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[Tal]

By: Andrew Maitland / GMM, F1 editor, Motorsport.com

Posted: 37 minutes ago

Jul.29 (GMM) Toto Wolff has dismissed suggestions Mercedes will sanction Lewis Hamilton for ignoring team orders in Hungary.

Although it was potentially explosive, the German team closed ranks after the incident but rumours persisted that the 2008 world champion will be punished behind closed doors.

"Something like that will not happen," boss Wolff is quoted by Der Spiegel.

"We are all adults -- we just have to do a better job next time."

Indeed, Mercedes is admitting its own culpability after repeatedly asking Hamilton to slow down to let Nico Rosberg - on a different strategy - pass him.

The typically non-controversial Rosberg has quietly admitted he thinks Hamilton's defiance cost him the win, but otherwise he is playing a cool hand as usual.

"I will not respond just because you want me to," he told German reporters. "It's not my style to respond. The title race will remain intense until the end, but I'm looking forward to it."

Mercedes team chairman Niki Lauda backed Hamilton after the race, while Wolff admitted that Mercedes may have to rethink its approach to team orders in light of the intensifying battle.

Red Bull boss Christian Horner, whose Daniel Ricciardo won in Hungary, also thinks Hamilton was right to ignore the order.

"You can understand Lewis," he said. "He's fighting Nico. If he lets him run his fastest strategy, it puts him under pressure.

"It's entirely understandable from Lewis' point of view to say 'not today thanks'."

In the calm of Monday, Wolff basically agreed.

"When two teammates become the main rivals for the championship," he said, "it is clear that every decision taken by the drivers and the team is affected by a climate of very heavy emotion.

"Many decisions in Budapest were made under pressure," Wolff is quoted by Italy's Autosprint, "with little time to evaluate them thoroughly.

"It is now evident that we are in a situation where we cannot ask one of our drivers to damage himself for the interest of the team.

"The message to Hamilton was probably wrong, but it was a very difficult time to determine what was right and what was wrong."

[TightEnd]

It is impossible to give team orders when you have two number one drivers fighting for the championship

team orders only work when you have a clear number 2 driver, who is asked to give way..eg massa to alonso quite often at ferrari in recent years

the team was naive, as comments subsequent to the race realised

Hamilton, just like Vettel when he ignored the multi 21 order in Malaysia (much more clear cut than this instance) knows that the power lies with the driver if they are talented enough, not the team

you can't compare it to a standard employee/employer relationship. for a start complying with team orders won't be in their contracts.

[tikay]

By: Andrew Maitland / GMM, F1 editor, Motorsport.com

Posted: 37 minutes ago

Jul.29 (GMM) Toto Wolff has dismissed suggestions Mercedes will sanction Lewis Hamilton for ignoring team orders in Hungary.

Although it was potentially explosive, the German team closed ranks after the incident but rumours persisted that the 2008 world champion will be punished behind closed doors.

"Something like that will not happen," boss Wolff is quoted by Der Spiegel.

"We are all adults -- we just have to do a better job next time."

Indeed, Mercedes is admitting its own culpability after repeatedly asking Hamilton to slow down to let Nico Rosberg - on a different strategy - pass him.

The typically non-controversial Rosberg has quietly admitted he thinks Hamilton's defiance cost him the win, but otherwise he is playing a cool hand as usual.

"I will not respond just because you want me to," he told German reporters. "It's not my style to respond. The title race will remain intense until the end, but I'm looking forward to it."

Mercedes team chairman Niki Lauda backed Hamilton after the race, while Wolff admitted that Mercedes may have to rethink its approach to team orders in light of the intensifying battle.

Red Bull boss Christian Horner, whose Daniel Ricciardo won in Hungary, also thinks Hamilton was right to ignore the order.

"You can understand Lewis," he said. "He's fighting Nico. If he lets him run his fastest strategy, it puts him under pressure.

"It's entirely understandable from Lewis' point of view to say 'not today thanks'."

In the calm of Monday, Wolff basically agreed.

"When two teammates become the main rivals for the championship," he said, "it is clear that every decision taken by the drivers and the team is affected by a climate of very heavy emotion.

"Many decisions in Budapest were made under pressure," Wolff is quoted by Italy's Autosprint, "with little time to evaluate them thoroughly.

"It is now evident that we are in a situation where we cannot ask one of our drivers to damage himself for the interest of the team.

"The message to Hamilton was probably wrong, but it was a very difficult time to determine what was right and what was wrong."

All very interesting, but it does not change the facts.

The Company runs the business, not the staff.

He must be disciplined, at the least, & it's not even close.

That team costs 100's of millions per year to run, & it's not for employess to make their own parochial decisions when Mr Suit tells them to do something.

Stop trying to defend the indefensible. Be reasonable, see it my way

[tikay]

It is impossible to give team orders when you have two number one drivers fighting for the championship

team orders only work when you have a clear number 2 driver, who is asked to give way..eg massa to alonso quite often at ferrari in recent years

the team was naive, as comments subsequent to the race realised

Hamilton, just like Vettel when he ignored the multi 21 order in Malaysia (much more clear cut than this instance) knows that the power lies with the driver if they are talented enough, not the team

you can't compare it to a standard employee/employer relationship. for a start complying with team orders won't be in their contracts.

Well let me tell you this.

He will never work for me.

[horseplayer]

Glen " lewandowski" Murray played centre back last night for Palace

Tony Pulis re inventing the wheel again..

[TightEnd]

Daily Report

Profit on Month £703.60

Outstanding Bets £2959.91

Free bets to use £20 Betfred

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aia1Hxq-NDNWdFk3UmlTSXMzTjRBTVNfOWRndVFsZHc&usp=drive_web#gid=27

A profit of £15 yesterday with Jamaica winning at Galway for the Listens backed at 8/13 with the Weld offer

Click to see full-size image.

elsewhere yesterday

we won't be having a winning bet on India in the 3rd test match

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good to see ian bell back in form

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and if there was ever any doubt that he would, Jos Buttler looked good

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India only got three things wrong

- picked the wrong team
- ishant sharma injured
- lost the toss, and might have bowled anyway as almost everyone misread the pitch, which is another chief executive's pitch


isner and gasquet both received byes in the first round of the ATP Citi in Washington

the rangers beat the Yankees 4-2 last night, the Yankees the only oen of our baseball bets in action


five days of glorious goodwood starts today. ideas please

can anyone spot Lord Grumpy in this one? standing up brandishing your umbrella at annoying little men was in fashion a couple of hundred years ago too....

[TightEnd]

It is impossible to give team orders when you have two number one drivers fighting for the championship

team orders only work when you have a clear number 2 driver, who is asked to give way..eg massa to alonso quite often at ferrari in recent years

the team was naive, as comments subsequent to the race realised

Hamilton, just like Vettel when he ignored the multi 21 order in Malaysia (much more clear cut than this instance) knows that the power lies with the driver if they are talented enough, not the team

you can't compare it to a standard employee/employer relationship. for a start complying with team orders won't be in their contracts.

Well let me tell you this.

He will never work for me.

why don't you tell us about the 7.05 at Windsor last night?

[Ironside]

It is impossible to give team orders when you have two number one drivers fighting for the championship

team orders only work when you have a clear number 2 driver, who is asked to give way..eg massa to alonso quite often at ferrari in recent years

the team was naive, as comments subsequent to the race realised

Hamilton, just like Vettel when he ignored the multi 21 order in Malaysia (much more clear cut than this instance) knows that the power lies with the driver if they are talented enough, not the team

you can't compare it to a standard employee/employer relationship. for a start complying with team orders won't be in their contracts.

Well let me tell you this.

He will never work for me.

have you seen his wage packet? He would never work for me either I couldn't afford him, and if I could afford to pay his wages I wouldn't be working for him to be working for me

[TightEnd]

Just a couple of quick ones.  Hills are top price Toormore (7/4) in the 3.05 at Goodwood and Beacon in the 2.30 at Goodwood (4/5).  That 2.30 looks like it could be a great each way race if you get 8 runners and quarter first 3, but that will need a bit of patience.   No harm in just getting the value from the offer too. 

Toormore evens, Beacon 10/11

still yes for both?

[Doobs]

Just a couple of quick ones.  Hills are top price Toormore (7/4) in the 3.05 at Goodwood and Beacon in the 2.30 at Goodwood (4/5).  That 2.30 looks like it could be a great each way race if you get 8 runners and quarter first 3, but that will need a bit of patience.   No harm in just getting the value from the offer too. 

Toormore evens, Beacon 10/11

still yes for both?

Think they are still good, there is a non runner in the Toormore race and the other beats Betfair right now if you can get it still. 

[TightEnd]

Just a couple of quick ones.  Hills are top price Toormore (7/4) in the 3.05 at Goodwood and Beacon in the 2.30 at Goodwood (4/5).  That 2.30 looks like it could be a great each way race if you get 8 runners and quarter first 3, but that will need a bit of patience.   No harm in just getting the value from the offer too. 

Toormore evens, Beacon 10/11

still yes for both?

Think they are still good, there is a non runner in the Toormore race and the other beats Betfair right now if you can get it still. 

ok on

£25 each, money back as a free bet if 2nd

Toormore 3.05 evens
Beacon 2.30 evens


there are some good each way races (shape and overrounds) at goodwood today are there not?

[Doobs]

Just a couple of quick ones.  Hills are top price Toormore (7/4) in the 3.05 at Goodwood and Beacon in the 2.30 at Goodwood (4/5).  That 2.30 looks like it could be a great each way race if you get 8 runners and quarter first 3, but that will need a bit of patience.   No harm in just getting the value from the offer too. 

Toormore evens, Beacon 10/11

still yes for both?

Think they are still good, there is a non runner in the Toormore race and the other beats Betfair right now if you can get it still. 

ok on

£25 each, money back as a free bet if 2nd

Toormore 3.05 evens
Beacon 2.30 evens


there are some good each way races (shape and overrounds) at goodwood today are there not?

Yes very good, unfortunately kids got a play date in the park this morning.  But we really need to wait on the 8 runners in 2 races and probably need to make sure there is 16 in at least one other. 

Ground officially good with good to firm spots.  Going stick will be on turftrax at 10.  I will be in the park with bad reception then. 

[TightEnd]

No reason not to go in again on the Weld Offer tommorow. Two heats which are automatic plays with the offer

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing-betting/2014-07-29-galway/18:05/winner

SUGGEST £25 TOGETHER FOREVER when lads price up at around 9am, race looks like being 6/4 the Weld thing and ours and at least 8's bar. There are a few more unknowns from good stables in this tbf but still worth doing.

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing-betting/2014-07-29-galway/20:15/winner

SUGGEST £25 RIGHTWAY when lads price up at around 9am, Weld thing looks like being around 4/7. Rightway had two good runs for Oxx who is back in form and this looks a contest lacking depth.


Much stronger on the 8.15 as it looks hard for any of the newcomers to run well. 6.05 still worth doing though.

7/4
Together Forever
18:05 Galway
Singles - Race Winner
1 line @ £25.00 per line
Total Stake £25.00
Potential Return £68.75
Receipt No: O/142640973/0000651


11/4
Rightway
20:15 Galway
Singles - Race Winner
1 line @ £25.00 per line
Total Stake £25.00
Potential Return £93.75
Receipt No: O/142640973/0000653

[Tal]

Good to firm now, but might be a bit of give in the ground after a light hose.

[tikay]

It is impossible to give team orders when you have two number one drivers fighting for the championship

team orders only work when you have a clear number 2 driver, who is asked to give way..eg massa to alonso quite often at ferrari in recent years

the team was naive, as comments subsequent to the race realised

Hamilton, just like Vettel when he ignored the multi 21 order in Malaysia (much more clear cut than this instance) knows that the power lies with the driver if they are talented enough, not the team

you can't compare it to a standard employee/employer relationship. for a start complying with team orders won't be in their contracts.

Well let me tell you this.

He will never work for me.

why don't you tell us about the 7.05 at Windsor last night?

Yikes.

THE most reliable source, only sends me stuff about once every 3 months, sends me a horse. 9 runner race. I generally have £25 EW or even £50 EW on his stuff. He is GOOD.

5/1. EW.

Am busy, & my PC is loaded up with poker tables, so I used the I-pad.

Price has gone, 4/1 now. Can't possibly take 4/1 about a tip at 5/1. I'm disciplined. Forget it.

OK, I'll just have £10 EW for interest.

Place the bet, the message pops up "YOUR BET IS PLACED, £200 STAKED".

What? £200? WHAT?

Doubt I've had £200 on a horse in my entire life. Sheesh.

Go for an afternoon nap, & annoyingly an incoming text wakes me up. Bastard. "Bloody non-runners". Thanks mate.

Eh? Go to Oddschecker - THREE non-runners, so it's now a 6 runner race, I'm on EW, & the price I took was bad. AND there will be a 50p in the £ Rule 4.   

Watch the race.

Jockey goes straight for the rails, in a nice position. Good so far.

Suddenly, after barely a furlong, the wonder horse shoots clear, 5 or 6 lengths. Gooder.

But 2f out, he's not running on, & the pack is closing. 

One horse gets to his flanks at the furlong pole. And continues to get closer & closer. With 50 yards to go it's neck & neck, my horse has shot his bolt.

Now the result.

First was number.......