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« Reply #97635 on: March 24, 2015, 12:57:23 PM »

Anyone know what the shortest price SA were matched at in the semi final in running?
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« Reply #97636 on: March 24, 2015, 01:00:42 PM »

Choral have two prices for Harry Kane to score any time v Lithuania.

Their normal price is 4/5; their special price is 7/4 (bet loses if he doesn't play).

The latter price is obv wrong. Try for £200 and take whatever they knock you back to ta.

He is 2/5 to start with Joe.  If that is right, then 7/4 can be worse than 4/5?   Or should we be ploughing in to 2/5?  
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« Reply #97637 on: March 24, 2015, 01:05:05 PM »

Would the difference between the Padres and the Dodgers, say, be bigger than the difference between the St Louis Rams and the Seattle Seahawks? I seem to recall we backed the Rams to win that division.



that could be quite a complex answer but the shorthand is

- the NFL has a salary cap and free agency, and a team can go from bottom to top in a short time if it manages and recuits well including the draft

so the Rams have done that on defense (donald etc) but not so much on offense, and after placing the bet Bradford did his ACL for a second time. Bradford may or may not have been the answer to making the Rams more competitive, but without him and no QB they had no shot

- the MLB has no salary cap, has free agency but also its is extremely rare to draft a player and see him straight into the majors..they can spend a long time in the minors particularly if drafted from high school at 18

in addition the MLB has local TV deals. if you are in a big market, NY, LA, Chicago etc the local affiliate of CBS can pay a fortune for the TV rights compared to if you are in milwaukee, san diego etc etc. in the nfl, there is central negotiating of tv deals and money doled out in equal shares

so, with the top spending teams in the league at $200m payrolls and the bottom $60m and up it has historically been quite unusual for a side to go from bottom to top very quickly. there are barriers to doing so in acquiring talent, paying it and getting it on the field quickly

now, under this MLB commissioner the sport has introduced a number of measures to level the playing field including a luxury tax (penalties for over spending via payroll) and penalties for under-spending

this has had the effect of meaning payrolls across the league are equalised, and so the English premier league effect of it being impossible to beat chelsea and man city over a season is being reduced

as the artllce i linked to said

"Partly thanks to revenue sharing and the luxury tax — measures that former commissioner Bud Selig put in place to promote competitive balance — the high rollers aren’t outspending the second-tier teams to the degree they once did. Nor are the penny-pinchers falling as far behind. The teams at the bottom of the 2015 payroll rankings are much closer to $100 million than $0, which wasn’t true even two years ago. It’s not just the fear of financial penalties that has forced the big and small spenders toward the center of the payroll range. There’s also the impact of lucrative local TV contracts, which has enabled some teams to extend their young players instead of watching them walk, coupled with a return to pre-PED-era aging patterns, which has swung the pendulum of productivity back toward young players who can’t easily be bought.

While some teams are still smarter and more efficient than others, there aren’t many (if any) teams making really dumb decisions, and the lack of easy marks for the best front offices to hustle reduces the variation between teams".

so in the nfl it is still easier to back underdogs and hope they can effect quick turnarounds and win than it is in the mlb, but that key difference in strategic ante-post betting in the two sports is reducing, for the factors mentioned above
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« Reply #97638 on: March 24, 2015, 01:13:48 PM »

That's a fantastic answer. Thanks.
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« Reply #97639 on: March 24, 2015, 01:17:42 PM »

Anyone know what the shortest price SA were matched at in the semi final in running?

during the second innings 1.71 i saw

could well have been shorter in the first innings, but i wasn't on betfair at that stage
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« Reply #97640 on: March 24, 2015, 01:28:23 PM »

Anyone know what the shortest price SA were matched at in the semi final in running?

during the second innings 1.71 i saw

could well have been shorter in the first innings, but i wasn't on betfair at that stage

Don't know why they didn't play on to a second day.

The rain delay and subsequent use of D/L seemed to massively favour NZ.
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« Reply #97641 on: March 24, 2015, 01:29:14 PM »

Choral have two prices for Harry Kane to score any time v Lithuania.

Their normal price is 4/5; their special price is 7/4 (bet loses if he doesn't play).

The latter price is obv wrong. Try for £200 and take whatever they knock you back to ta.

Harry Kane to score for England against Lithuania on March 27th (loser if he doesn’t play)
7/4
Harry Kane to score for England against Lithuania on March 27th - 27/03/2015
Stake £20.00
Estimated Return:£55.00
Total Stake: £20.00
Potential Return: £55.00

Where is this bet on the site, I can't find it?
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« Reply #97642 on: March 24, 2015, 01:30:47 PM »

Anyone know what the shortest price SA were matched at in the semi final in running?

during the second innings 1.71 i saw

could well have been shorter in the first innings, but i wasn't on betfair at that stage

Don't know why they didn't play on to a second day.

The rain delay and subsequent use of D/L seemed to massively favour NZ.

D/L favours the side that hasn't batted yet

the formula always understates the runs that could be acheived in the overs lost, particularly under these playing conditions

that said, SA knew there was rain around and chose to bat on winning the toss. It is a risk they took.
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« Reply #97643 on: March 24, 2015, 01:33:28 PM »

From Bet364+1

Introducing Partial Cash Out
Cash Out allows you to take a return before an event has finished – and now we are giving you even more control by including the option to partially Cash Out your bet.

Where Partial Cash Out is available for a bet, the slider icon will display to the right of the Cash Out button.    
To enable the Cash Out slider, simply click on the icon and the potential returns and remaining stake will be displayed on the Cash Out button. From here you can select and confirm the amount that you would like to Cash Out, leaving the remainder of your stake to be settled when the event has finished.

Giving you greater control of your bets
There are a number of ways you can monitor the Cash Out amount being offered for an eligible bet.

Once you have logged in to your account, the amount of unsettled bets you currently have will be indicated by a number next to the My Bets section of the Bet Slip. Simply click on My Bets to see any eligible bets along with the current Cash Out price.

The Live Now tab in My Bets shows any of your bets that are In-Play, as well as the live score and a current Cash Out amount. You also have the option to ‘favourite’ any of your selections by hovering over the top right corner and clicking on the star when it appears.

My Bets can also be accessed from the top of the In-Play section and on your mobile or tablet.

With Cash Out and Partial Cash Out, you have greater control of your bets at bet365.

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« Reply #97644 on: March 24, 2015, 01:34:37 PM »

From Bet364+1

Introducing Partial Cash Out
Cash Out allows you to take a return before an event has finished – and now we are giving you even more control by including the option to partially Cash Out your bet.

Where Partial Cash Out is available for a bet, the slider icon will display to the right of the Cash Out button.    
To enable the Cash Out slider, simply click on the icon and the potential returns and remaining stake will be displayed on the Cash Out button. From here you can select and confirm the amount that you would like to Cash Out, leaving the remainder of your stake to be settled when the event has finished.

Giving you greater control of your bets
There are a number of ways you can monitor the Cash Out amount being offered for an eligible bet.

Once you have logged in to your account, the amount of unsettled bets you currently have will be indicated by a number next to the My Bets section of the Bet Slip. Simply click on My Bets to see any eligible bets along with the current Cash Out price.

The Live Now tab in My Bets shows any of your bets that are In-Play, as well as the live score and a current Cash Out amount. You also have the option to ‘favourite’ any of your selections by hovering over the top right corner and clicking on the star when it appears.

My Bets can also be accessed from the top of the In-Play section and on your mobile or tablet.

With Cash Out and Partial Cash Out, you have greater control of your bets at bet365.

Enjoy the action!
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Not as bad as being forced to cash out your whole bet in total but still the same bad bet.  This assumes they charge the same % vig for partial cash out as full cash out.  They might be sneaky and actually charge more as no one else has developed/is offering this 'product'.
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« Reply #97645 on: March 24, 2015, 01:36:20 PM »

53 posts on cash outs.......why not to do them

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=64991.0
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« Reply #97646 on: March 24, 2015, 01:38:32 PM »

Choral have two prices for Harry Kane to score any time v Lithuania.

Their normal price is 4/5; their special price is 7/4 (bet loses if he doesn't play).

The latter price is obv wrong. Try for £200 and take whatever they knock you back to ta.

Harry Kane to score for England against Lithuania on March 27th (loser if he doesn’t play)
7/4
Harry Kane to score for England against Lithuania on March 27th - 27/03/2015
Stake £20.00
Estimated Return:£55.00
Total Stake: £20.00
Potential Return: £55.00

Where is this bet on the site, I can't find it?

check harry kane specials on oddschecker

soon gave up trying to find it on coral's site alone
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« Reply #97647 on: March 24, 2015, 01:45:49 PM »

He was first choice for the five a side team this morning... getting some practice in alongside Rooney for Friday you assume.

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« Reply #97648 on: March 24, 2015, 01:54:38 PM »



If Kane is a gimmie to start the game on Friday, surely he will play in front of Rooney as an out and out attacker? If this is the case, any value in...

Kane - 1st Goal scorer @ 3/1 with 'those without a dedicated tv poker channel now'  <<< see, i do pick up on stuff now and again.
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« Reply #97649 on: March 24, 2015, 02:03:26 PM »



If Kane is a gimmie to start the game on Friday, surely he will play in front of Rooney as an out and out attacker? If this is the case, any value in...

Kane - 1st Goal scorer @ 3/1 with 'those without a dedicated tv poker channel now'  <<< see, i do pick up on stuff now and again.

Well seeing as there is 10/3 available elsewhere plus 7/2 under their harry kane specials-i'd say 3's is very skinny.

Also would assume if he does start a few promos will be added in.

Cert wouldn't take 3's.
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