Rangers into administration

[henrik777]

Police investigation launched.

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/107835-in-full-crown-office-statement-on-criminal-probe-into-rangers/

Sandy

[Teacake]

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hibernian/107728-hibernian-confirm-they-will-vote-against-admitting-newco-rangers-to-spl/

Hibs, Dundee Utd and Hearts have now confirmed they intend to say no.

Sandy

ICT and Aberdeen also confirm they are voting no

[henrik777]

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hibernian/107728-hibernian-confirm-they-will-vote-against-admitting-newco-rangers-to-spl/

Hibs, Dundee Utd and Hearts have now confirmed they intend to say no.

Sandy

ICT and Aberdeen also confirm they are voting no

Yup. Looks like Lawell did the correct thing as now we are not to blame.

St Johnstone makes 6. Surely it's a certainty to be 11 - 0 as nobody will want to piss off season ticket holders or travelling fans in case it costs them money.

Sandy

[Snowball]

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hibernian/107728-hibernian-confirm-they-will-vote-against-admitting-newco-rangers-to-spl/

Hibs, Dundee Utd and Hearts have now confirmed they intend to say no.

Sandy

It must be heavy odds on for it to not even get to a vote.
ICT and Aberdeen also confirm they are voting no

Yup. Looks like Lawell did the correct thing as now we are not to blame.

St Johnstone makes 6. Surely it's a certainty to be 11 - 0 as nobody will want to piss off season ticket holders or travelling fans in case it costs them money.

Sandy

[BorntoBubble]

not really sure how scottish football is going to recover from this the only game that is vaguley worth watching is old firm and now its gone... bad times

[henrik777]

http://www.raithrovers.net/3766/statement-of-board-of-directors.htm

Even the SFL clubs are telling them to shove it.

Sandy

[Rod Paradise]

not really sure how scottish football is going to recover from this the only game that is vaguley worth watching is old firm and now its gone... bad times

Best games last season were Celtic - Hearts & Rangers - Dundee Utd - OK they don't have the associated lunacy, but they were the best fixtures.

Last time Rangers were winning nothing the league coped well, more recently when Celtic were in trouble and struggling to make europe even, the league survived it. There will be financial implications but if all the clubs get something like 300 extra season ticket holders then it should bring about as much as will be lost. THe fans demanded the Newco not be in the SPL it's the fans job to support their club & league after the decision. Hopefully it'll be a wakeup call and help rather than hinder Scottish football.

[TightEnd]

leaving aside the Rangers mess, what's the future for Scottish football now?

Celtic win the SPL virtually unchallenged for the next few years. No Old firm games. None of that drama and rivalry for celtic fans. More difficult to attract players up to celtic?

Weaker SPL teams get into Europe, eventually the UEFA Co-efficients for Scotland fall, meaning less European places?

The next TV deal without a really competitive league (minus Rangers potentially winning the league each year, even if funded irresponsibly) gives no negotiating position to the clubs

I know the clubs via the voting and the fans via their support for that are doing the right thing, morally....but the future doesn't look bright for Scottish football now does it? Or does it?

[henrik777]

leaving aside the Rangers mess, what's the future for Scottish football now?

Celtic win the SPL virtually unchallenged for the next few years. No Old firm games. None of that drama and rivalry for celtic fans. More difficult to attract players up to celtic?

Weaker SPL teams get into Europe, eventually the UEFA Co-efficients for Scotland fall, meaning less European places?

The next TV deal without a really competitive league (minus Rangers potentially winning the league each year, even if funded irresponsibly) gives no negotiating position to the clubs

I know the clubs via the voting and the fans via their support for that are doing the right thing, morally....but the future doesn't look bright for Scottish football now does it? Or does it?

Aside from 4 old firm games, what would be different with Rangers in the SPL ? The administrators said they were running at a £10m loss per year. The players won't take reduced wages anymore. The standard of player will drop substantially as they can't afford anybody even of Hearts, Dundee Utd & Hibs price range. They can't cut costs of stadium. They cant play in Europe.

Rangers won 9 in a row and 7 times Celtic were not even 2nd (3 times not even 3rd). Didn't hurt the product in the way you describe.


Rangers were rank rotten before Murray but Scottish football survived.



The future, for sure, is uncertain. Celtic will turn attention to Europe. Other clubs have a great chance to strengthen as there is now 1 more european spot for grabs. Extra revenue although deep runs would be a tall order. Shamrock Rovers can inspire them hopefully.

There will be SPL on the TV. Fans have reacted well to the clubs who have said no. Season tickets are selling like hot cakes.

Don't fall for the Rangers spin. They tried to put the fear into the clubs but the real fear was when the fans didn't buy season tickets until they said ok we'll teach them a lesson. Fan power shows there is interest in the game in Scotland. Can there be much less interest in England anyway ?

Sandy

[calella]

leaving aside the Rangers mess, what's the future for Scottish football now?

Celtic win the SPL virtually unchallenged for the next few years. No Old firm games. None of that drama and rivalry for celtic fans. More difficult to attract players up to celtic?

Weaker SPL teams get into Europe, eventually the UEFA Co-efficients for Scotland fall, meaning less European places?

The next TV deal without a really competitive league (minus Rangers potentially winning the league each year, even if funded irresponsibly) gives no negotiating position to the clubs

I know the clubs via the voting and the fans via their support for that are doing the right thing, morally....but the future doesn't look bright for Scottish football now does it? Or does it?

Aside from 4 old firm games, what would be different with Rangers in the SPL ? The administrators said they were running at a £10m loss per year. The players won't take reduced wages anymore. The standard of player will drop substantially as they can't afford anybody even of Hearts, Dundee Utd & Hibs price range. They can't cut costs of stadium. They cant play in Europe.

Rangers won 9 in a row and 7 times Celtic were not even 2nd (3 times not even 3rd). Didn't hurt the product in the way you describe.


Rangers were rank rotten before Murray but Scottish football survived.



The future, for sure, is uncertain. Celtic will turn attention to Europe. Other clubs have a great chance to strengthen as there is now 1 more european spot for grabs. Extra revenue although deep runs would be a tall order. Shamrock Rovers can inspire them hopefully.

There will be SPL on the TV. Fans have reacted well to the clubs who have said no. Season tickets are selling like hot cakes.

Don't fall for the Rangers spin. They tried to put the fear into the clubs but the real fear was when the fans didn't buy season tickets until they said ok we'll teach them a lesson. Fan power shows there is interest in the game in Scotland. Can there be much less interest in England anyway ?

Sandy

Good Post and your last paragraph sums it up very nicely imo. Rangers tried the bully boy tactics and it's blown up in their face.

You only have to read a couple of Rangers Forums to realise how deluded their fans are, they think that by trying to strongarm their way to not being punished or to just blame David Murray/Craig Whyte and start next season in the SPL that things will be hunky dory.

If my company cheated the way Rangers have it is not just the guys at the top(Directors) who get punished but the ordinary workers(ie lose our jobs), so for the Rangers fans to spout about ordinary fans being penalised for mis-management over the years is complete bolllloxx.

[Teacake]

leaving aside the Rangers mess, what's the future for Scottish football now?

Celtic win the SPL virtually unchallenged for the next few years. No Old firm games. None of that drama and rivalry for celtic fans. More difficult to attract players up to celtic?

Weaker SPL teams get into Europe, eventually the UEFA Co-efficients for Scotland fall, meaning less European places?

The next TV deal without a really competitive league (minus Rangers potentially winning the league each year, even if funded irresponsibly) gives no negotiating position to the clubs

I know the clubs via the voting and the fans via their support for that are doing the right thing, morally....but the future doesn't look bright for Scottish football now does it? Or does it?

Aside from 4 old firm games, what would be different with Rangers in the SPL ? The administrators said they were running at a £10m loss per year. The players won't take reduced wages anymore. The standard of player will drop substantially as they can't afford anybody even of Hearts, Dundee Utd & Hibs price range. They can't cut costs of stadium. They cant play in Europe.

Rangers won 9 in a row and 7 times Celtic were not even 2nd (3 times not even 3rd). Didn't hurt the product in the way you describe.


Rangers were rank rotten before Murray but Scottish football survived.



The future, for sure, is uncertain. Celtic will turn attention to Europe. Other clubs have a great chance to strengthen as there is now 1 more european spot for grabs. Extra revenue although deep runs would be a tall order. Shamrock Rovers can inspire them hopefully.

There will be SPL on the TV. Fans have reacted well to the clubs who have said no. Season tickets are selling like hot cakes.

Don't fall for the Rangers spin. They tried to put the fear into the clubs but the real fear was when the fans didn't buy season tickets until they said ok we'll teach them a lesson. Fan power shows there is interest in the game in Scotland. Can there be much less interest in England anyway ?

Sandy

Excellent post  Sandy

[Josedinho]

Whatever the future is for Scottish football it will be better for not letting Rangers back in.
Wouldn't have been a credible league if not.

Couple of questions? Has the tax man done his dough? I'm sure I read something along the lines of "using it as an example case ready to take on some English clubs". Will the tactics have to change if clubs can just get rid of the debt even if it means starting again? Will the tax man be more likely to do deals and take rubbish offers of pennies in the pound?

Rangers - any chance they could realistically join the English league? If they had to start non-league in one of the countries would England be the +ve move?

[smashedagain]

Whatever the future is for Scottish football it will be better for not letting Rangers back in.
Wouldn't have been a credible league if not.

Couple of questions? Has the tax man done his dough? I'm sure I read something along the lines of "using it as an example case ready to take on some English clubs". Will the tactics have to change if clubs can just get rid of the debt even if it means starting again? Will the tax man be more likely to do deals and take rubbish offers of pennies in the pound?

Rangers - any chance they could realistically join the English league? If they had to start non-league in one of the countries would England be the +ve move?

Well if they spit their dummy out they may as well do it good and proper.

[henrik777]

Rangers and Celtic never had a chance of playing in England, ever.

Sandy

[doubleup]

Couple of questions? Has the tax man done his dough? I'm sure I read something along the lines of "using it as an example case ready to take on some English clubs". Will the tactics have to change if clubs can just get rid of the debt even if it means starting again? Will the tax man be more likely to do deals and take rubbish offers of pennies in the pound?

The reason why HMRC wouldn't accept the CVA was because liquidation allows full examination of the running of the club and may allow them to pursue the individuals involved.  The message (quite rightly) is that if you think that you can have a weekly wage bill of millions and not bother to pay the tax deducted to HMRC, you can think again.