Basic MTT spots- A PHA diary

[George2Loose]

I used to just snap flick in it here but with age I have turned into a nit. Don't tell anyone though

[cambridgealex]

I folded both.

The jacks were obv frustrating. Squeezer had AK. UTG AQ

Surely this is why we should call here?  What do you think the iso's perceived range is in this spot?  We should be in very good shape here?

I agree with the 1010 now, post flop will be just awful, even though we're in position the pot will be so bloated and we will be so uncomfortable with most cbets because of their size etc plus there is going to be terrible boards for our hand!

Yeh, put them on AK/AQ

[PutYouOnAK/AQ]

WP Alex!!  What do u do here btw? (other than make another FT?)....

[cambridgealex]

I'd call the Jacks JUST, I'd probably peel the TT too with 50bigs IP, no-one behind is gonna ever put it in without us crushed following a 5x utg and a utg+1 peel so we can see a flop IP heads up and go from there. Proceed with immense caution of course, folding to cbets on Q, K A high boards, and probably calling one and folding turn on all raggy flops.

I'd probably flop top set though.

[david3103]

I'd call the Jacks JUST, I'd probably peel the TT too with 50bigs IP, no-one behind is gonna ever put it in without us crushed following a 5x utg and a utg+1 peel so we can see a flop IP heads up and go from there. Proceed with immense caution of course, folding to cbets on Q, K A high boards, and probably calling one and folding turn on all raggy flops.

I'd probably flop top set though.

Or make a flush....

[skolsuper]

The TT is a fold and I don't think it's close tbh, although I'm not enjoying it.

The JJ is really close, I think I would call.

Guy, the 44 is not the same as 72 as not all flops are JT5 tt. I agree it's not near the top of your opening range tho.

I think the 10 10 needs more discussion. We are 50 bigs deep here. Can we not flat in position here or are we inviting a squeeze too often? 3 bet out of the question? Agree it's close but feel we perhaps dismissed it too quickly.

JJ hand is v close too but think I fold more than call

Glad someone is on same lines as me.

How can we be so sure tt is not even close? Just cus its been banged up x5???

We're readless, so this could be a live donk overplaying his 22 - 44 a la 2006 styley. Or is there some sorta trend I'm not aware of at the mo?? Surely a 3b better defines this - and we can still get away on the flop if we really have to?? Or we hit huge and get paid.

You just don't ever win without cooperation from the villain or hitting a set. Say you want to peel pre, if you're lucky enough to see a flop with no overcards you'll still be bluffcatching if opponent bets the flop, turn and river, and I don't think villain will be bluffing often enough with this sizing from this position for you to get another 45bbs in postflop, and even when he is bluffing he usually still has 2 overcards, so I'm folding to a cbet on a low board. 3betting is turning your hand into a bluff since it's nowhere near strong enough to get in 50bbs utg+1 vs utg, and I don't think he's folding often enough to make a bluff profitable.

[skolsuper]

The TT is a fold and I don't think it's close tbh, although I'm not enjoying it.

The JJ is really close, I think I would call.

Guy, the 44 is not the same as 72 as not all flops are JT5 tt. I agree it's not near the top of your opening range tho.

I think the 10 10 needs more discussion. We are 50 bigs deep here. Can we not flat in position here or are we inviting a squeeze too often? 3 bet out of the question? Agree it's close but feel we perhaps dismissed it too quickly.

JJ hand is v close too but think I fold more than call

Glad someone is on same lines as me.

How can we be so sure tt is not even close? Just cus its been banged up x5???

We're readless, so this could be a live donk overplaying his 22 - 44 a la 2006 styley. Or is there some sorta trend I'm not aware of at the mo?? Surely a 3b better defines this - and we can still get away on the flop if we really have to?? Or we hit huge and get paid.

You just don't ever win without cooperation from the villain or hitting a set. Say you want to peel pre, if you're lucky enough to see a flop with no overcards you'll still be bluffcatching if opponent bets the flop, turn and river, and I don't think villain will be bluffing often enough with this sizing from this position for you to get another 45bbs in postflop, and even when he is bluffing he usually still has 2 overcards, so I'm folding to a cbet on a low board. 3betting is turning your hand into a bluff since it's nowhere near strong enough to get in 50bbs utg+1 vs utg, and I don't think he's folding often enough to make a bluff profitable.

So raising x5 in this position, what range are u assigning a random? QQ+ ??

What I'm saying is it could be all sorts, but our hand plays so badly postflop and we will be so on the defensive that we aren't ever going to win the pot no matter how often we are ahead. Villain would have to be a complete and utter lunatic for you to be confident enough to call 2 or 3 streets on so many 0, 1 and 2 overcard boards when he's raised utg, whatever size he made it initially. The only thing if he'd made it smaller would be you would probably have good odds to set-mine and might be able to pot control to a cheap showdown which we won't be able to do here without cooperation from villain.

[Rickie Belfield]

Check/fold or check/rr all in if you have a feel you could get him off, a check call I think is poor, open betting leaves yourself open to a bluff rr so that isn't recommended. I find it hard to advise without actually playing the spot tbh.

Why would we be aiming to make such a big move when both players have large stacks?

[George2Loose]

PokerStars Hand #82486664320: Tournament #579010392, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2012/06/26 17:28:55 WET [2012/06/26 12:28:55 ET]
Table '579010392 101' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Pazel__8888 (1995 in chips)
Seat 2: OBVAMENTS (2940 in chips)
Seat 3: Pitbullaz (2900 in chips)
Seat 4: George2Loose (2835 in chips)
Seat 5: lille_sol2 (2470 in chips)
Seat 6: Shak88888 (2185 in chips)
Seat 7: Destruksnes (3379 in chips)
Seat 8: hungerdeniz (8120 in chips)
Seat 9: Dekkie1990 (3166 in chips)
Shak88888: posts small blind 20
Destruksnes: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [ ]
hungerdeniz: folds
Dekkie1990: folds
Pazel__8888: folds
OBVAMENTS: raises 60 to 100
Pitbullaz: folds
George2Loose: calls 100
lille_sol2: folds
Shak88888: folds
Destruksnes: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
OBVAMENTS: bets 195
George2Loose: calls 195
*** TURN *** [ ] []
OBVAMENTS: bets 487
George2Loose

[outragous76]

call now and hope for ck ck on river

[muckthenuts]

Do you use a HUD? QQ gotta be a 3b pre in a 20 dorra. As played just fold turn.

[George2Loose]

Do you use a HUD? QQ gotta be a 3b pre in a 20 dorra. As played just fold turn.

OBVaments a reg- yes use a HUD

[Rupert]

fold turn

[TL900]

yup agree, fine with whole hand if we fold now

[dreenie]

Hi George, just caught up with the thread again. the JJ hand I would fold, main reason would be better spots, and you have a nice stack, so don't need to get involved in a 2 way all in, which is usually always a flip at best. I like the flat pre tho.

The last hand - QQ in 20f I would fold turn. I like peeling early with these hands a lot in first few levels, and playing flops, this early don't think he is double barreling without an ace and way it is played just no point getting value towned when u have just flatted pre. I think small pot poker is a way to go, and have been trying it out, and in turn been getting better results/deeper in tourneys.

Also can under rep your hands so much vs huge whales etc.

You still playing the euro's or is this just for stars?