Diaries

[TightEnd]

Some good points.

To the DTD stuff, they get a lot of views. Yes I am obligated to post up stuff on each product or major event, and sticky the threads but for "adverts" they get a lot of conversation, posts, views. DTD are very happy with them, as it takes a load off their customer support with questions being answered on here.

[ohdear]

The reason i chose Blonde to be my home was the fact it is so diverse. Good community spirit and the vast majority of posts are intelligent and often witty. Also the updates, PHA and betting threads are second to none imo.

Understand what Gatso and ohdear are saying and admittedly there are still some shabby diaries out there, but i still respect people for sharing their thoughts and experiences.

Couldn't not have them though, Eso's and Taximan's diaries are must reads from the very first post imo.

Without Tikay's diary how would we all get to sleep?

i think some of the diary's on here are quite good as well, i was never advocating getting rid of them, just that they have their own board

[millidonk]

The reason i chose Blonde to be my home was the fact it is so diverse. Good community spirit and the vast majority of posts are intelligent and often witty. Also the updates, PHA and betting threads are second to none imo.

Understand what Gatso and ohdear are saying and admittedly there are still some shabby diaries out there, but i still respect people for sharing their thoughts and experiences.

Couldn't not have them though, Eso's and Taximan's diaries are must reads from the very first post imo.

Without Tikay's diary how would we all get to sleep?

i think some of the diary's on here are quite good as well, i was never advocating getting rid of them, just that they have their own board

My bad, misinterpreted one of your earlier msgs which i thought Gatso was agreeing with where you mention stuff being discussed in diaries could detract from the lounge. Completely agree with diaries having their own board. This has been brought up a few times before and i can't remember the definitive reason for it not happening.

[sovietsong]

The reason i chose Blonde to be my home was the fact it is so diverse. Good community spirit and the vast majority of posts are intelligent and often witty. Also the updates, PHA and betting threads are second to none imo.

Understand what Gatso and ohdear are saying and admittedly there are still some shabby diaries out there, but i still respect people for sharing their thoughts and experiences.

Couldn't not have them though, Eso's and Taximan's diaries are must reads from the very first post imo.

Without Tikay's diary how would we all get to sleep?

i think some of the diary's on here are quite good as well, i was never advocating getting rid of them, just that they have their own board

don't you think you should have created a new topic for this debate, newbies won't know its here and will be put off from posting as its in another established thread.

*edit - joke ruined when thread was moved to the rail.

[Ironside]

The reason i chose Blonde to be my home was the fact it is so diverse. Good community spirit and the vast majority of posts are intelligent and often witty. Also the updates, PHA and betting threads are second to none imo.

Understand what Gatso and ohdear are saying and admittedly there are still some shabby diaries out there, but i still respect people for sharing their thoughts and experiences.

Couldn't not have them though, Eso's and Taximan's diaries are must reads from the very first post imo.

Without Tikay's diary how would we all get to sleep?

i think some of the diary's on here are quite good as well, i was never advocating getting rid of them, just that they have their own board

don't you think you should have created a new topic for this debate, newbies won't know its here and will be put off from posting as its in another established thread.

*edit - joke ruined when thread was moved to the rail.

lol

[Marky147]

You'll not find a Uriel here and Tikay is like the Milky of the board......

Only relevant if I've guessed right on Ohdear's other forum

[ohdear]

You'll not find a Uriel here and Tikay is like the Milky of the board......

Only relevant if I've guessed right on Ohdear's other forum

If Tikay is Milky who would be NoCarbs or MacUK?

what do you think about how the journal system works over there in comparison to here?

[Marky147]

You'll not find a Uriel here and Tikay is like the Milky of the board......

Only relevant if I've guessed right on Ohdear's other forum

If Tikay is Milky who would be NoCarbs or MacUK?

what do you think about how the journal system works over there in comparison to here?

Haha not quite sure...

For everyone on Blonde Milky is basically the most senior member of the forum which ohdear is talking of with regards to the diary system and an all round good egg 

I think that it works there because the forum is that much bigger and there is so much diary/journal traffic which makes it work. Here there are several people who keep diaries, I think they work fine as they are and don't think the number is sufficient to warrant a subsection.

Should another bunch crop up and last the length of time I'd say it may well make sense to create a subsection and keep things a little tidier if you like. I think everything works well as it is and while most people will still post wherever you move them it may cause some people to miss out on some excellent stuff if they have to search out things which are moved.

[Longy]

agree 100% with ohdear's comments about diaries

Yup so do I.

I read the vast majority of the diaries on here and enjoy them a lot, but they do have quite big side effects for the forum as a whole imo. Along with a very obvious disadvantages for newbies trying to get into the forum, you get situations where a great story/discussion will breakout in one of the diaries that is only accessible if you are a reader of that diary whereas in the past that would have happened in a thread of its own not on page 157 of a diary.

[Shogun112]

agree 100% with ohdear's comments about diaries

Yup so do I.

I read the vast majority of the diaries on here and enjoy them a lot, but they do have quite big side effects for the forum as a whole imo. Along with a very obvious disadvantages for newbies trying to get into the forum, you get situations where a great story/discussion will breakout in one of the diaries that is only accessible if you are a reader of that diary whereas in the past that would have happened in a thread of its own not on page 157 of a diary.

+1

I do not read diaries, because they often turn out something different from poker, more like a thread for 5 to 10 mates to have a bit of banter, not necessarily poker all the time. 

I have to search the rail forum for non-diary stuff, and then get annoyed at how much more dificult it is these days with the diaries, so do not bother looking any more.  I dont have a problem with the people doing their diaries, I just think that things will be better in their own location.

The arguement that the numbers are up in comparison to 2 years ago does not mean they would not be higher had the forum been a more tidy place to easier read poker related stuff in the right poker related section.  And yes, various diaries transcend into may subject areas which sometimes would be better discussed having their own seperate threads rather than in the diary only being discussed between the diary readers.

I know we have had the very same discussion before and the diaries stayed where they are now, but I always felt that decision was made without explanation or good reason when so many people put up a good case for them to be in a seperate area..

[ohdear]

agree 100% with ohdear's comments about diaries

Yup so do I.

I read the vast majority of the diaries on here and enjoy them a lot, but they do have quite big side effects for the forum as a whole imo. Along with a very obvious disadvantages for newbies trying to get into the forum, you get situations where a great story/discussion will breakout in one of the diaries that is only accessible if you are a reader of that diary whereas in the past that would have happened in a thread of its own not on page 157 of a diary.

+1

I do not read diaries, because they often turn out something different from poker, more like a thread for 5 to 10 mates to have a bit of banter, not necessarily poker all the time.  

I have to search the rail forum for non-diary stuff, and then get annoyed at how much more dificult it is these days with the diaries, so do not bother looking any more.  I dont have a problem with the people doing their diaries, I just think that things will be better in their own location.

The arguement that the numbers are up in comparison to 2 years ago does not mean they would not be higher had the forum been a more tidy place to easier read poker related stuff in the right poker related section.  And yes, various diaries transcend into may subject areas which sometimes would be better discussed having their own seperate threads rather than in the diary only being discussed between the diary readers.

I know we have had the very same discussion before and the diaries stayed where they are now, but I always felt that decision was made without explanation or good reason when so many people put up a good case for them to be in a seperate area..

these couple of posts sum up perfectly what i was trying to say, maybe coming from 2 long term respected members it might carry a bit more weight

this bit in particular from shogun is exactly what i was talking about: "I have to search the rail forum for non-diary stuff, and then get annoyed at how much more dificult it is these days with the diaries, so do not bother looking any more.  I dont have a problem with the people doing their diaries, I just think that things will be better in their own location", that's coming from a long term user of blonde already familiar with the site, think how difficult and overwhelming then it can be for a complete newbie

I also compleyely agree that some diarys are vert very good whereas some are just a bunch of mates having a chat, might as well be one long conversation on twitter.

also i think longy summed up the second part of what i was saying, you get some great debates and discussions arise on diary's that by rights should really have their own threads, it's these threads that newbies need to see and be part of, as longy said a newbie or recreational user of blonde has no way of knowing, unless he reads every single diary on blonde, where the discussion of the day is and whether or not they're missing out on a great conversation.

it so unnecessarily marginalises potential new members, or at least deters them from staying

again i really think(and i say this with no malice intended) it comes down to an ego thing where the best posters with the best diarys want their diarys pride of place at the top of the rail for everyone to see instead of in some subsection somewhere, i understand that tbh but i'm sure the same people must be aware that for the reason that longy and shogun have stated, so much potential conversation that could be bringing in newbies to the site is being lost amongst the sea of diarys instead of in their own threads on the rail or in the lounge

[Acidmouse]

They need to be all together so people can easily avoid or read them.

[gatso]

again i really think(and i say this with no malice intended) it comes down to an ego thing where the best posters with the best diarys want their diarys pride of place at the top of the rail for everyone to see instead of in some subsection somewhere, i understand that tbh but i'm sure the same people must be aware that for the reason that longy and shogun have stated, so much potential conversation that could be bringing in newbies to the site is being lost amongst the sea of diarys instead of in their own threads on the rail or in the lounge

it's not just that (though I do agree with every word). it's also other people tend to follow suit and do the same thing, not just the diary's owner. so often someone will post something interesting on a diary that's completely unrelated to it saying something like 'I didn't know where else to put this'. how about on a new thread where people will see and comment on it?

I only read a few of the diaries as most of them don't interest me so miss out on loads of stuff, most newbies probs don't even read the few that I do so miss out on even more

[ohdear]

again i really think(and i say this with no malice intended) it comes down to an ego thing where the best posters with the best diarys want their diarys pride of place at the top of the rail for everyone to see instead of in some subsection somewhere, i understand that tbh but i'm sure the same people must be aware that for the reason that longy and shogun have stated, so much potential conversation that could be bringing in newbies to the site is being lost amongst the sea of diarys instead of in their own threads on the rail or in the lounge

it's not just that (though I do agree with every word). it's also other people tend to follow suit and do the same thing, not just the diary's owner. so often someone will post something interesting on a diary that's completely unrelated to it saying something like 'I didn't know where else to put this'. how about on a new thread where people will see and comment on it?

I only read a few of the diaries as most of them don't interest me so miss out on loads of stuff, most newbies probs don't even read the few that I do so miss out on even more

it's a good point, i've noticed it a couple of times on some of the diarys i read. maybe it's just a general shift in online communication caused by social networking sites, people having something to say/post and instead of posting it for the forum as a whole to share they do so on the thread of their favorite diary where all their friends are, it's a very facebook, twitter-ishy thing to do.

[RED-DOG]

Can someone clarify something for me please?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the suggestion seems to be that the diarists should try to decide which of their entries should be made in the diary and which should be used to start a new thread.

If that is so, the actual title of the post would need to be very descriptive and precise, otherwise the potential reader would still have to open the thread and read the post to see if he was interested.

Also. what would happen if it was a subject that he was interested in, but then it wandered on to a subject that he wasn't interested in.

Example: A few days ago I posted in my diary about the cruise ship Concordia, and ended up discussing Bawtry auction.

What if someone was interested in the Concordia, but not in Bawtry auction? Do I change the title of the thread to reflect the change of subject, and if I do, will that put off future potential Concordia post readers?

What if it then goes away from Bawtry auction on to something else, or even back to Concordia? Would I end up with fragmented threads all over the forum?

Surely it's easier for those who want to avoid my drivel to have it all in the one place.

BTW I do contribute to lots of other threads, and so do most of the other diarist.

For the record, I don't care where they put my diary, but I don't want to have (Nor would I be able) to decide what should go in there and what should go in a new thread.