Diaries

[Laxie]

Is this a bit like the cat playing with the mouse?  Let it think it's got running room then eventually we'll get bored and squash the mouse? 

[kinboshi]

That conspiracy idea is just so ridiculous i actually can't believe you wrote it down.

is it a "theory" that there's 50% less threads started than a year ago? nope, and it's because all the stuff that used to be posted on the forum is now discussed in a small handful of diaries, that's another fact.

if my ridiculous idea is so ridiculous why is it no one in authority can give a good reason( lol actually not even a good reason, ANY reason) as to why the diaries don't have their own sub-section? 

Are posts up or down compared to a year ago?

overall up, but posts by who and where? existing members on a tiny number of diaries

posts by new members on new threads, down

Posts on the forum in general, in total on a month-by-month basis? 

I haven't checked, it was just a question.

i haven't checked that stat either, both parts of what i said were guesses, i'd be surprised if i was wrong though

OK, so you're just making stuff up?

lol i was going by what you said, i thought your question was rhetorical and was stating a fact

You stated something, so I asked you a question - what did I state?  If you're attempting to put forward an argument, it does help to back it up with evidence - rather than resorting to ad hom attacks and demanding people provide you with reasons for why they run their forum as they do.

Have you tried any other poker forums?  Some of them might be more to your liking if this one isn't.  I'm sure we'll eventually recover from your absence.

[TightEnd]

The threads stats are a bit artificial, or they were a year ago. A year ago we had big problems with spammers. We introduced new Captcha software mid 2011 since when the spam problem has reduced dramatically

I went back overnight (because this crap was keeping me awake, lol, get a life) and counted spam threads in deleted posts from January 2011

Of 463 threads total around 180 were started by spammers trying to sell you viagra, porn etc and of course they are deleted

The idea that new threads are down 50% is a complete red herring


You say that we aren't prepared to discuss the issue. Well, I spent all morning yesterday discussing the issue

The simple answer is the mods team (not one individual and his supposed ego) see no convincing reason to alter the status quo

There is no ego led agenda as you imply.

Are we ruling out change per se? No of course not,completely open to it. That includes Mr Ego himself

Traffic is strong. Until you came along, Mr ohdear, the forum "mood" was the best it has been for about 3 years.

DTD are happy, the mods are happy, most members are happy. We spoke to James Dempsey 10 days ago in person. He's happy


All other things being equal would I like more people to start new threads? Yes? 

Do most of the people who complain about the diaries not being in a new section start threads? No

Do most of the diarists contribute enormously outside their own blogs? Yes, very much so

[Marky147]

i have honestly seen on quite a few of the diaries ive read people tell someone to start a thread about it in general discussion to see what everyone else thinks, you never see that here, and i've also seen on ocassion people saying that they don't want to talk about specific stuff on their journals thats not relevent to training and pulling people up if they do.

maybe a better way to explain it is the example gatso gave of someone having a video about people not being able to walk in a straight line, instead of making a new thread about it in the lounge they went to tikays diary and said here evryone have a look at this, that would never happen on ukm, no one with a hillarious video etc would decide out of the blue to go and post it on a jounal, they'd start a thread about it in general discussion, that's the point i'm trying to make, forgetting about the numbers once you seperate the diaries you don't get caught up in this culture in the first place where nearly all of the sites general conversation is flowing through a few diaries.

i sort of disagree and think the model for ukm and why it's so big is a great example of how to get the diary aspect right, i think the way it is set up on ukm is the reason its so big, i think the way it's set up on here is the reason why new threads are dramatically down and growth is almost impossible as newbies are so badly marginalised when looking at the semingly impenitrable sea of diarys that comprise the rail (there's currently 10 in the top 20 threads on the rail which for a board which is your bread and butter is a joke)

Ironically then you obviously spend too much time reading diaries yourself  if you've seen that happen quite a few times as I never have

I think that you're making a problem that's not really all that big much bigger to suit your point of view if I'm honest. Yes some people may miss out but I don't think it's going to be the make/break of the forum. If you start policing posts and instructing people where to post I think that would be far worse.

I think the model for UK-M is because it's a fking monstrous forum with at a guess members running well into the 6 figures.... This forum isn't so imo you can't compare the two, it's really a case that you've set your stall out now and aren't going to budge though

I agree with some things you have said and you make some good points but using UK-M to compare how it works isn't really something that can be done due to how different the forums are in their setup/size etc. Also a poker forum is going to appeal to a much smaller group of people than a foruma bout health/exercise/training/nutrition/aas etc.

If people don't want to be marginalised then put yourself out and make yourself known. As with all forums it takes a while to insert yourself for want of a better word into the community. I really can't believe how this thread has gotten so long and I'll shortly be done with replying as I'm going to watch my money go up in smoke all afternoon

To suggest that the people who post in their own diaries are neglecting the main forum is also a bit of a joke as they all contribute all over the forum from what I can see!

With forums people will come, people will go, people will move on, some will come back and such is life

[taximan007]

The threads stats are a bit artificial, or they were a year ago. A year ago we had big problems with spammers. We introduced new Captcha software mid 2011 since when the spam problem has reduced dramatically

I went back overnight (because this crap was keeping me awake, lol, get a life) and counted spam threads in deleted posts from January 2011

Of 463 threads total around 180 were started by spammers trying to sell you viagra, porn etc and of course they are deleted

The idea that new threads are down 50% is a complete red herring


You say that we aren't prepared to discuss the issue. Well, I spent all morning yesterday discussing the issue

The simple answer is the mods team (not one individual and his supposed ego) see no convincing reason to alter the status quo

There is no ego led agenda as you imply.

Are we ruling out change per se? No of course not,completely open to it. That includes Mr Ego himself

Traffic is strong. Until you came along, Mr ohdear, the forum "mood" was the best it has been for about 3 years.

DTD are happy, the mods are happy, most members are happy. We spoke to James Dempsey 10 days ago in person. He's happy


All other things being equal would I like more people to start new threads? Yes? 

Do most of the people who complain about the diaries not being in a new section start threads? No

Do most of the diarists contribute enormously outside their own blogs? Yes, very much so

I kept looking for these links but you kept removing them - bloody mods  

[ohdear]

lol i don't have conspiracy theories or ultiroir motives, as much as everyone wants to believe that

somehow i seem to have been caught up in what people percieve is a witch hunt against tikay(and others) which just isn't the case, i don't give that much of a shit, i stated my opinion, i had my ideas about why the diarys were dealt with how they were but i didnt say what they were, i wanted to hear if there were genuine reasons for not moving, i really wanted to know what the idea was behind keeping them on the rail, somone might've surprised me and said: "its for this particular reason............" and i might've thought "wow that makes sense, never even occoured to me" but not a single answer came out and all debate and discussion about it was even ignored, made me think even more that the whole diary ego thing was the reason for not moving them to a less popular area.

now tightends spent the last 4 messages talking about my pm to tikay hoping that everyone will infer from that that i'm a bad guy with agendas, kinboshi is starting to dig out everything i say all the while no one will still give any reason why you wont move the diarys, jeez you guys are weird.

page 2 of this thread you say to me: "ohdear we havent moved the diarys because..............." and i wouldv'e said ok, fine, i agree/disagree, thanks for the answer but if the mods had spent 10% of the time they have trying to make me out to be the bad guy in just giving an answer as to why the diaries wont be moved this would be done and dusted.

so yes i firmly believe the reason why the diaries wont be moved, why it won't be discussed and you you wont even give an answer on it is because some people are being too selfish here putting their diaries in front of the forum and i think the new thread stat proves that imo

 

[TightEnd]

so yes i firmly believe the reason why the diaries wont be moved, why it won't be discussed and you you wont even give an answer on it is because some people are being too selfish here putting their diaries in front of the forum and i think the new thread stat proves that imo

 

You are odd. Have you simply ignored my post above?

You've had answers

The new thread stat proves nothing was inflated by spam a year ago and isn't now

It's being discussed ad nauseam

The reason i keep mentioning the pm is it is hideous, really disgraceful and insulting and very much shows your motives are personal.

[AndrewT]

Ohdear deserves some credit for the apposite choice of username.

[ohdear]

The threads stats are a bit artificial, or they were a year ago. A year ago we had big problems with spammers. We introduced new Captcha software mid 2011 since when the spam problem has reduced dramatically

I went back overnight (because this crap was keeping me awake, lol, get a life) and counted spam threads in deleted posts from January 2011

Of 463 threads total around 180 were started by spammers trying to sell you viagra, porn etc and of course they are deleted

The idea that new threads are down 50% is a complete red herring


You say that we aren't prepared to discuss the issue. Well, I spent all morning yesterday discussing the issue

The simple answer is the mods team (not one individual and his supposed ego) see no convincing reason to alter the status quo

There is no ego led agenda as you imply.

Are we ruling out change per se? No of course not,completely open to it. That includes Mr Ego himself

Traffic is strong. Until you came along, Mr ohdear, the forum "mood" was the best it has been for about 3 years.

DTD are happy, the mods are happy, most members are happy. We spoke to James Dempsey 10 days ago in person. He's happy


All other things being equal would I like more people to start new threads? Yes?  

Do most of the people who complain about the diaries not being in a new section start threads? No

Do most of the diarists contribute enormously outside their own blogs? Yes, very much so

thankyou

i don't agree with a lot of it, some of it i do, but thankyou for the answer

specifically this part: The simple answer is the mods team (not one individual and his supposed ego) see no convincing reason to alter the status quo

if i'm being totally honest i think it's a weak answer but an answer nonetheless so i appreciate that.

if that is genuinely the reason then from an outside perspective i think they're hurtfull where they are not helpful, to both newbies and existing members, that's just my opinion though, maybe with some of the other expressed on here it might make you re-think the status quo

[ohdear]

so yes i firmly believe the reason why the diaries wont be moved, why it won't be discussed and you you wont even give an answer on it is because some people are being too selfish here putting their diaries in front of the forum and i think the new thread stat proves that imo

 

You are odd. Have you simply ignored my post above?

You've had answers

The new thread stat proves nothing was inflated by spam a year ago and isn't now

It's being discussed ad nauseam

The reason i keep mentioning the pm is it is hideous, really disgraceful and insulting and very much shows your motives are personal.

i posted that before i saw your other one

[SuuPRlim]

Can't help but feel something interesting and not related to diaries will emerge soon

Here's my guess

Tikay is going to be exposed as a huge con-man, using the diaries on blonde to propel some monster grim, we later discover that Tikay is both Arrboy AND Jack Kershaw and the reason Blatch was able to pay people back was because Tikay gave him 80k on the proviso he moves to cyprus and sells timeshare for him for the next 5 years. His real name is Mausood Kalim and he was born in Nigeria in 1978 and uses the "old man" persona to gain trust and abuse people's trust. Talented con-artist a-top the MOST WANTED for 16 years, known as "Tip-Toe Tony" for his stealthy and long winded approach.

and to think I let this man buy me breakfast.

IN BEFORE SCANDAL #1 itt

[kinboshi]

Can't help but feel something interesting and not related to diaries will emerge soon

Here's my guess

Tikay is going to be exposed as a huge con-man, using the diaries on blonde to propel some monster grim, we later discover that Tikay is both Arrboy AND Jack Kershaw and the reason Blatch was able to pay people back was because Tikay gave him 80k on the proviso he moves to cyprus and sells timeshare for him for the next 5 years. His real name is Mausood Kalim and he was born in Nigeria in 1978 and uses the "old man" persona to gain trust and abuse people's trust. Talented con-artist a-top the MOST WANTED for 16 years, known as "Tip-Toe Tony" for his stealthy and long winded approach.

and to think I let this man buy me breakfast.

IN BEFORE SCANDAL #1 itt

Blatant 'tikay bought me breakfast' post imo.

[taximan007]

Can't help but feel something interesting and not related to diaries will emerge soon

Here's my guess

Tikay is going to be exposed as a huge con-man, using the diaries on blonde to propel some monster grim, we later discover that Tikay is both Arrboy AND Jack Kershaw and the reason Blatch was able to pay people back was because Tikay gave him 80k on the proviso he moves to cyprus and sells timeshare for him for the next 5 years. His real name is Mausood Kalim and he was born in Nigeria in 1978 and uses the "old man" persona to gain trust and abuse people's trust. Talented con-artist a-top the MOST WANTED for 16 years, known as "Tip-Toe Tony" for his stealthy and long winded approach.

and to think I let this man buy me breakfast.

IN BEFORE SCANDAL #1 itt

Blatant 'tikay bought me breakfast' post imo.

Tikay gave me his chips once in a BB tourney

[TightEnd]

Can't help but feel something interesting and not related to diaries will emerge soon

Here's my guess

Tikay is going to be exposed as a huge con-man, using the diaries on blonde to propel some monster grim, we later discover that Tikay is both Arrboy AND Jack Kershaw and the reason Blatch was able to pay people back was because Tikay gave him 80k on the proviso he moves to cyprus and sells timeshare for him for the next 5 years. His real name is Mausood Kalim and he was born in Nigeria in 1978 and uses the "old man" persona to gain trust and abuse people's trust. Talented con-artist a-top the MOST WANTED for 16 years, known as "Tip-Toe Tony" for his stealthy and long winded approach.

and to think I let this man buy me breakfast.

IN BEFORE SCANDAL #1 itt

Blatant 'tikay Jack Kershaw bought me breakfast' post imo.

[mondatoo]

I haven't read any of ohdear's posts cos they're too long

i have to +1 this

as soon as i've written them once i've gone away from the thread then come back again to re-read my post and see what a long winded poorly written post devoid of structure and proper grammer it actually is i usually think fuck that and move on to the next one

It wasn't a dig at you, just when I've had a tipple I cba to read posts longer than 6 words, that's the limit. Will reread thread after detoxing.