Impartial opinions wanted on DTD TD(Danniel) decision/150 DS 19/05/2012

[dik9]

You say dealer is dozy and missing stuff but you played whole hand of poker with 3 cards and missed your oppo flipping A-J. Hand is stone cold dead and it's entirely your own fault, sorry.

<3 Mantis, and exactly spot on.

So, from making a thread that looks like you are trying to get the TD in the shit (as all DTD management read here)  you have just enhanced his position on a 100% correct ruling.

Threads like this are dangerous, TD's should make a decision based on facts and fairness, not how they think a forum will slate that decision if it doesn't go the way of an OP. By all means ask a question of whether a decision is fair. If it seems like it isn't and a ruling is ridiculous the community will usually scream for an OP to name names (slightly different scenario).

[TightEnd]

Threads like this are dangerous, TD's should make a decision based on facts and fairness, not how they think a forum will slate that decision if it doesn't go the way of an OP.

Absolutely no chance of this happening. A touch sensationalist IMO

[EvilPie]

I'd hardly call this thread dangerous. Nobody's likely to get hurt.

[dik9]

I'd hardly call this thread dangerous. Nobody's likely to get hurt.

Dan wouldn't feel too happy if a decision was scrutinized on a forum that all members thought he was wrong (I know it didn't happen here as the decision is pretty clear cut) and he knew he was going to be in the office about when he next goes in. I lost a job over a players inability to recall a hand correctly and arguing over a decision with me (on a different forum btw) many years ago. It can be dangerous :/

[Junior Senior]

Nothing more to discuss. Hand is dead, learn from it, don't let it happen again and move on.

[SuuPRlim]

I'd hardly call this thread dangerous. Nobody's likely to get hurt.

I bit my tongue about 15 minutes ago, IDK if it was directly linked to this thread but I'm in quite a bit of pain over it.

[strak33]

Brown Bread

[cambridgealex]

Alonso controversy @ DTD again? Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't u involved in the whole Ronaldo upset thing a few months back???

I also remember him making some really out of line comments on the monte carlo thread in december.

[relaedgc]

^ How it shouldn't be done (from someone that has had his fair share of personal criticism via the internet)

How it should have been done:

Q: I had my hand declared dead at showdown after I tabled three cards in NLH. Was that the correct ruling?


A: Unfortunately, if you have the incorrect number of cards your hand is dead and you cede all claim to the pot.


I appreciate why you might find it frustrating, having genuinely been oblivious to the third card. That being said, if you consider this impartially, it really is the -only- ruling that can be made that protects the integrity of the game.

[cambridgealex]

Good post^

You have to realise what is relevant to the situation.

[tight4better]

Only fair ruling is for the hand to be dead.

Never had this done to me but I'd know soon enough I had 3 cards being dealt to me no matter the amount of lazy dealing or combo meals being consumed.

Think on the flip side too, put yourself in another's shoes and think if you'd be happy losing a pot (or even 50% of it) to a person with a 1 card freeroll over you the entire hand.

[Pugwashed]

They screwed up this exact same ruling at Genting Stoke in the dealers choice cash game. I wasn't in the game but got told about it later. Its £2/£2 and 2 players get it in on the flop in a quite a big pot in 6 card PLO8. By the river the board is 235xx rainbow (the xx are 2 random high cards that don't matter), one guy turns over all 6 cards, he has A4 for the high and the low, the other guy turns over A4 for a chop and leaves the rest of his hand face down next to it. The dealer starts chopping it up and the first player asks to see the rest of his hand, the dealer turns it over and there are 5 cards so he'd played the whole hand with 7 cards. Dealer doesn't know what to do, gets a ruling, cardroom manager (not sure which one) doesn't know what to do (despite it being their job to), they get one of the other floor managers who shouldn't have anything to do with rulings in the cardroom and rules that they go back through the whole hand and give everyone their money back.

I do think its good that these things can be discussed somewhere like this. If naming and shaming people over dodgy rulings improves the integrity of the games then an that really be a bad thing? I get that it can shake players confidence in the people making decisions that can cost them significant amounts of money and that it could be embarrassing for the people responsible but surely considering the money involved this has to be worth it to keep the games fair and well run?

Obviously in this case, a 3 card hand is not a valid hand and it has to be ruled dead and once action has taken place it can't be ruled as a misdeal and the hand replayed

[kinboshi]

Out of interest, if you table two cards, and one is identical to one of the flop cards (say they're both the ), is your hand dead in the same way?

[smashedagain]

I thought Alonso was Ronaldo. now I'm pretty confused. Wish people would stop being anon because now I don't even know if I am laughing at the right people.  I love Ronaldo at Dtd and Alonso on here but don't have a clue who Ronaldo is on here or who Alonso is at Dtd

Despite my love of both guys only seen a few incidents of kicking off in Dtd and all involved Ronaldo and only seen a few incidents of forum members being in the wrong over rulings and they all involved Alonso

[permanentquandary]

Who is the dozy dealer?