Impartial opinions wanted on DTD TD(Danniel) decision/150 DS 19/05/2012

[gatso]

Should the other player win the pot though?

If his cards had been mucked and not presented in view to the rest of the table, is his hand not dead also?

most pots are won without a hand being tabled. do you want to give everyone their chips back everytime someone bets and isn't called just in case they had 3 cards?

[Cotter1]

Should the other player win the pot though?

If his cards had been mucked and not presented in view to the rest of the table, is his hand not dead also?

most pots are won without a hand being tabled. do you want to give everyone their chips back everytime someone bets and isn't called just in case they had 3 cards?

If it's a bet and call situation on the river, the pot can only be claimed by disclosing a hand. The pot cannot be won unless you show your cards.

[Jon MW]

Should the other player win the pot though?

If his cards had been mucked and not presented in view to the rest of the table, is his hand not dead also?

most pots are won without a hand being tabled. do you want to give everyone their chips back everytime someone bets and isn't called just in case they had 3 cards?

If it's a bet and call situation on the river, the pot can only be claimed by disclosing a hand. The pot cannot be won unless you show your cards.

If the TD has to use discretion in making a decision on the principle of fairness - then awarding the pot even though his hand wasn't disclosed would be it

[gatso]

a more interesting situation is when both players left in at the river turn up with 3 cards

[The Camel]

Haven't read the entire thread, so don't know anyone else's opinion.

But I think your hand is dead.

[SuuPRlim]

I once saw a £20,000 pot in PLO awarded to the losing hand at showdown because one player had been dealt an extra card in the SB and not noticed it.

If that hand is dead then so it yours /thread

Really does suck though as it wasn't your fault, all you can do is be super vigilant and a little fortunate this doesnt happen to you again. unlucky mate

[Poker_Monkey]

a more interesting situation is when both players left in at the river turn up with 3 cards

what was wrong witht the can of worms that we had all ready why have you got to open a new one

[nirvana]

I can't be impartial in matters of injustice - you were robbed, would demand entry fee back in writing..minimum.

[MANTIS01]

You say dealer is dozy and missing stuff but you played whole hand of poker with 3 cards and missed your oppo flipping A-J. Hand is stone cold dead and it's entirely your own fault, sorry. Next can of worms, what if you win a pot having only 3 cards in 4-card Omaha? No way to angle shoot.

[gatso]

Next can of worms, what if you win a pot having only 3 cards in 4-card Omaha? No way to angle shoot.

still dead, think there's an exception to the wrong number of cards rule for stud games though but not sure what it is, I'll have a look if I can be arsed

[EvilPie]

You say dealer is dozy and missing stuff but you played whole hand of poker with 3 cards and missed your oppo flipping A-J. Hand is stone cold dead and it's entirely your own fault, sorry. Next can of worms, what if you win a pot having only 3 cards in 4-card Omaha? No way to angle shoot.

No can of worms required. Hand is dead as a dead thing's dead bits.

[gatso]

got it

DEAD HANDS

1. Your hand is declared dead if:

(a) You fold or announce that you are folding when facing a bet or a raise.

(b) You throw your hand away in a forward motion causing another player to act behind you (even if not facing a bet).

(c) In stud, when facing a bet, you pick your upcards off the table, turn your upcards facedown, or mix your upcards and downcards together.

(d) The hand does not contain the proper number of cards for that particular game (except at stud a hand missing the final card may be ruled live, and at lowball and draw high a hand with too few cards before the draw is live).

(e) You act on a hand with a joker as a holecard in a game not using a joker. (A player who acts on a hand without looking at a card assumes the liability of finding an improper card, as given in Irregularities, rule #8.)

(f) You have the clock on you when facing a bet or raise and exceed the specified time limit.

[nirvana]

got it

DEAD HANDS

1. Your hand is declared dead if:

(a) You fold or announce that you are folding when facing a bet or a raise.

(b) You throw your hand away in a forward motion causing another player to act behind you (even if not facing a bet).

(c) In stud, when facing a bet, you pick your upcards off the table, turn your upcards facedown, or mix your upcards and downcards together.

(d) The hand does not contain the proper number of cards for that particular game (except at stud a hand missing the final card may be ruled live, and at lowball and draw high a hand with too few cards before the draw is live).

(e) You act on a hand with a joker as a holecard in a game not using a joker. (A player who acts on a hand without looking at a card assumes the liability of finding an improper card, as given in Irregularities, rule #8.)

(f) You have the clock on you when facing a bet or raise and exceed the specified time limit.

thanks

[EvilPie]

got it

DEAD HANDS

1. Your hand is declared dead if:

(a) You fold or announce that you are folding when facing a bet or a raise.

(b) You throw your hand away in a forward motion causing another player to act behind you (even if not facing a bet).

(c) In stud, when facing a bet, you pick your upcards off the table, turn your upcards facedown, or mix your upcards and downcards together.

(d) The hand does not contain the proper number of cards for that particular game (except at stud a hand missing the final card may be ruled live, and at lowball and draw high a hand with too few cards before the draw is live).

(e) You act on a hand with a joker as a holecard in a game not using a joker. (A player who acts on a hand without looking at a card assumes the liability of finding an improper card, as given in Irregularities, rule #8.)

(f) You have the clock on you when facing a bet or raise and exceed the specified time limit.

thanks

This. Nice to know you could be arsed after all.

[MANTIS01]

But what if the dealer is disinterested in his job role?