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MintTrav
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August 07, 2014, 01:08:16 AM »
Quote from: MintTrav on August 07, 2014, 01:00:10 AM
Quote from: Honeybadger on August 06, 2014, 10:24:54 AM
5... Rd4
That makes it obvious.
Neat.
Hold on, there's a major flaw in what I thought was the obvious follow-up. Back to the drawing-board.
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Honeybadger
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August 07, 2014, 10:33:53 AM »
Okay, here is the solution to the 2nd part of the study...
After Black's 5... Rd4, White promotes with 6 c8=Q. And now Black has the amazing move:
6...Rc4+ !!!
It forks White's King and Queen, so White has to take the Rook. But then it is STALEMATE! See diagram below:
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Tal
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August 07, 2014, 10:41:17 AM »
And if white doesn't play c8..?
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August 07, 2014, 10:52:16 AM »
Quote from: Tal on August 07, 2014, 10:41:17 AM
And if white doesn't play c8..?
If White does not play c8 then the position just repeats itself.
e.g. 6 Kb3 Rd3+, or of course 6 Kc3 Rd1! (then after the forced 7 Kc2 - to prevent 7...Rc1 - Black simply plays 7... Rd4 and we are back to the same position)
But there is still the third part of the study to come, which I will introduce shortly...
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Tal
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August 07, 2014, 11:02:14 AM »
Quote from: Honeybadger on August 07, 2014, 10:52:16 AM
Quote from: Tal on August 07, 2014, 10:41:17 AM
And if white doesn't play c8..?
If White does not play c8 then the position just repeats itself.
e.g. 6 Kb3 Rd3+, or of course 6 Kc3 Rd1! (then after the forced 7 Kc2 - to prevent 7...Rc1 - Black simply plays 7... Rd4 and we are back to the same position)
But there is still the third part of the study to come, which I will introduce shortly...
Yes, Rd1 is the little trick that will catch out the high rated players under pressure
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August 07, 2014, 11:22:57 AM »
Christ knows how you're getting a 3rd puzzle out of this position.
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August 07, 2014, 11:24:22 AM »
Quote from: McGlashan on August 07, 2014, 11:22:57 AM
Christ knows how you're getting a 3rd puzzle out of this position.
You'll see...
You like it so far though?
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Honeybadger
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August 07, 2014, 11:46:17 AM »
Now for the 3rd and final part of this study.
The diagram below shows the position after 5...Rd4.
As we have seen, if White plays the obvious 6 c8=Q then Black has the amazing Rook sacrifice 6...Rc4+! leading to stalemate.
However, it turns out that White can actually win from the diagrammed position. Can anyone work out how?
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McGlashan
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August 07, 2014, 12:51:25 PM »
Quote from: Honeybadger on August 07, 2014, 11:24:22 AM
Quote from: McGlashan on August 07, 2014, 11:22:57 AM
Christ knows how you're getting a 3rd puzzle out of this position.
You'll see...
You like it so far though?
Yes, absolutely. There's nothing worse/fun than working calculating a line and assuming that's the end of it, only for someone else to point out a game changing move the tiniest bit further on.
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August 07, 2014, 04:06:01 PM »
is it 1 ***..Ra4 2 Kb3..R somewhere & 3 followed by mate
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August 07, 2014, 04:10:40 PM »
Quote from: curnow on August 07, 2014, 04:06:01 PM
is it 1 ***..Ra4 2 Kb3..R somewhere & 3 followed by mate
You've got to find White's next move first. And you've got to prevent Black's Rook sacrifice after 6 c8=Q
However, the theme you give is indeed important for the final solution of this problem.
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August 07, 2014, 10:33:02 PM »
Quote from: Honeybadger on August 07, 2014, 10:52:16 AM
Quote from: Tal on August 07, 2014, 10:41:17 AM
And if white doesn't play c8..?
If White does not play c8 then the position just repeats itself.
e.g. 6 Kb3 Rd3+, or of course 6 Kc3 Rd1! (then after the forced 7 Kc2 - to prevent 7...Rc1 - Black simply plays 7... Rd4 and we are back to the same position)
But there is still the third part of the study to come, which I will introduce shortly...
Ahhh. Once we had Rd4, the follow-up was going to be Rc4, but then I couldn't see a way past White responding with Kb3 or Kc3.
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August 09, 2014, 01:23:38 AM »
Okay so we've seen that Black has an amazing Rook sacrifice to force stalemate after 6 c8=Q. Now I going to reveal the final solution to this study. How can White force a win?
6 c8=R!!
He under-promotes to a Rook instead!
Obviously King+Rook vs King+Rook positions are normally just trivial draws. But in this position the restricted nature of Black's King means that White has a mating threat when he promotes - he is threatening 7 Ra8. Black's only defence after 6 c8=R is 6... Ra4, after which White responds with the quiet but deadly 7 Kb3. This King move contains a double threat. It attacks the Black Rook whilst at the same time threatening Rc1 mate.
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Tal
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August 09, 2014, 09:04:44 AM »
Excellent fun, HB. Thank you for sharing.
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August 21, 2014, 12:35:19 PM »
Have Alexander grischuk on my ept table. Cliffs?
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Quote from: TightEnd on December 16, 2013, 12:59:59 AM
Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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