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November 11, 2014, 03:05:52 PM »
watching game 3
is carlsen a bit underprepared? seemed out of his opening book quite early, and into a sharp position that doesn't really suit him
took over 30 minutes in response to Ng5 earlier
would Anand be generally be seen to have an advantage in computer prep, whereas carlsen is obviously good in dry grinding mid games where he finds wins others don't?
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Quote from: TightEnd on November 11, 2014, 03:05:52 PM
watching game 3
is carlsen a bit underprepared? seemed out of his opening book quite early, and into a sharp position that doesn't really suit him
took over 30 minutes in response to Ng5 earlier
would Anand be generally be seen to have an advantage in computer prep, whereas carlsen is obviously good in dry grinding mid games where he finds wins others don't?
Massively. Can't comment on the game, as I haven't been watching it, I'm afraid.
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Tal
do you often find yourself in time trouble?
what mentally does it do to your thought processes to be so?
(carlsen has 20 moves to make in 15 minutes and is in real trouble)
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Quote from: TightEnd on November 11, 2014, 03:18:34 PM
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do you often find yourself in time trouble?
what mentally does it do to your thought processes to be so?
(carlsen has 20 moves to make in 15 minutes and is in real trouble)
I've always been terrible for it, generally a combination of poor opening knowledge and spending too long looking at middlegame complexities.
I'm busy atm but I'll write something later to answer that question properly.
In short, he'll be looking for general ideas on the position he wants to achieve and spending any spare time making sure there aren't any tactical nasties. Often helps to play aggressively but that carries risks. Too defensive or playing "nothing moves" is a sure way to lose against this calibre of opponent.
The speed of calculation and clarity of thought of these guys is simply staggering.
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November 11, 2014, 03:29:18 PM »
when you look at it later he found a great move just now
27. Bb4
i hadn't seen it (which doesn't say a lot) but its a bit like houdini getting out of a padlock in a single gasp
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well that makes it interesting!
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November 11, 2014, 05:38:25 PM »
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Well today's game sounded like a cracker, I'm looking forward to catching the highlights.
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It's already better than last year's match and shaping up to be a cracker.
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November 11, 2014, 11:02:32 PM »
Eighteen months ago, people were chattering about how Anand v Carlsen was a poor match up and the sooner we got to see Carlsen play 12 games against Aronian the better. Aronian's fiery, complicated style is a perfect foil for Carlsen's quiet, suffocating grind.
Today, we got a glimpse of what that match would look like.
Anand, we all knew, had to work hard on opening preparation, because he would have to find ways of keeping positions unclear in the middlegame. There is no better exponent of that in chess today than the Armenian and Anand picked up on a game Aronian had played against England's Michael Adams in last year's Grand Slam Final in Bilbao. It had everything he wanted in being wild and impossible to calculate completely over the board. What's more, he found an improvement on the twentieth move and had it ready to go for today.
Football fans will know Tony Pulis is a brilliant manager for set pieces. His Stoke City team would score corners and the pundits would be salivating at the chance to pore over the replays in super slow motion to see what happened. The left back would start by backing into his marker. Then the centre half would run forwards and cut left towards the goal, as the corner was taken. Just as the ball approached, the striker would run in and use the space left behind the centre half and the left back to hammer it home, seemingly in acres of room. This was no coincidence, but hours of preparation on display.
Anand had his Pulis moment today. He had pretty much played this game out in his dreams. Everything fell into place exactly as he'd planned and Carlsen must have spent nineteen moves wondering what his opponent had got under his sleeve. Then he found out.
On Sunday, it was Anand who succumbed to time and over the board pressure to make a fatal error. This Timex when Carlsen blundered, the game was already lost. He fell hideously behind on the clock but this was primarily due to being less ready for this position. He had to work more out than his opponent and that's tough to do against anyone, even if you're the highest rated player in history.
This was a game Magnus was never going to be able to quell. It will be interesting to see if Anand plays the same moveswhen he next has White, just to test whether Carlsen has managed to find a response. If Carlsen is forced to do something else, it will be a big psychological victory for the Indian. He's done it before: in a series of rapidplay games against Alexei Shirov, he found a response to the Shirov Variation of the Caro Kann defence and the eponymous Latvian/Spaniard couldn't find an answer. Next time around, he had to go somewhere else with his opening
Boy, we got ourselves a game on our hands!
http://en.chessbase.com/post/sochi-g3-anand-strikes-back-with-a-vengence
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A completely impartial and balanced assessment of the game:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/sports-news/othersports/live-world-chess-championship-anand-vs-carlsen-game-3/article1-1284955.aspx
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Those who enjoy following live Twitter comments will enjoy this:
http://www.firstpost.com/sports/chess-world-championship-anand-vs-carlsen-game-3-live-1797783.html
Seems that Radjabov, Caruana, Short, Gupta, Polgàr, Rendle and Rowson are all giving interesting views on the game as played.
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November 11, 2014, 11:57:28 PM »
Magnus plays white in game 1
Anand in game 2.
Why did Anand get white again in game 3?
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Quote from: The Camel on November 11, 2014, 11:57:28 PM
Magnus plays white in game 1
Anand in game 2.
Why did Anand get white again in game 3?
I think Vishy started with white Keith?
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Quote from: The Baron on November 12, 2014, 12:07:10 AM
Quote from: The Camel on November 11, 2014, 11:57:28 PM
Magnus plays white in game 1
Anand in game 2.
Why did Anand get white again in game 3?
I think Vishy started with white Keith?
Oh yes.
The link to Game 1 on the site Tal posted actually goes to Game 2
http://www.hindustantimes.com/sports-news/othersports/live-world-chess-championship-anand-vs-carlsen-game-3/article1-1284955.aspx
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Quote from: Tal on November 11, 2014, 11:23:09 PM
Those who enjoy following live Twitter comments will enjoy this:
http://www.firstpost.com/sports/chess-world-championship-anand-vs-carlsen-game-3-live-1797783.html
Seems that Radjabov, Caruana, Short, Gupta, Polgàr, Rendle and Rowson are all giving interesting views on the game as played.
Lol @ short. It sort of reminds me of listening to Andy Gray who knew nothing but always had a way of saying I told you so.
Interesting that when reading chronologically Caruana is the first to really like Vishy's position.
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