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« Reply #60 on: October 03, 2012, 08:56:39 AM »

20 hellmuth
Max bets on mercier and siever pls

Cash at dtd?

Ok £50 mercer, £30 siever £100 total.
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« Reply #61 on: October 03, 2012, 08:58:14 AM »

£65 joey cheong
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« Reply #62 on: October 03, 2012, 08:58:34 AM »

and wtf at stealing my bidness!!!
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« Reply #63 on: October 03, 2012, 09:00:15 AM »

and wtf at stealing my bidness!!!

Still space for prices on the others.
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« Reply #64 on: October 03, 2012, 09:00:28 AM »

Liv and Lewis prices changed to 20-1 and 16-1.
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« Reply #65 on: October 03, 2012, 09:01:19 AM »

Am I right in saying there is £15 left on Cheong? Will take if so pls
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« Reply #66 on: October 03, 2012, 09:02:52 AM »

think i just booked rest of cheong  Wink
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« Reply #67 on: October 03, 2012, 09:03:38 AM »

Am I right in saying there is £15 left on Cheong? Will take if so pls

Action Man took all 65 that was left on Cheong I'm afraid. Reserve list if he doesn't send!
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« Reply #68 on: October 03, 2012, 09:07:34 AM »

think i just booked rest of cheong  Wink

ahh... just read back and seen someone else had the odd 15 ..   throw a dog a bone ?? Wink
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« Reply #69 on: October 03, 2012, 09:10:21 AM »

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« Reply #70 on: October 03, 2012, 09:13:57 AM »

Sorry I thought it was obvious that there Was more than those 11 but looking back I don't see why it would be lol. Anyone can still back out if they want, will refund. Like I said, it's my first time, I'm aware that some prices may not be vgood, if Dubai or Ed or anyone wouldnt mind sending a quick pm about how to go about pricing it up for next time so it's more in line with a bookie that'd be much appreciated Smiley

George, Le knave booked.

Alex - completely understand. If I had a pound for every time I have felt something perfectly clear (as it has been in my head at the time) and subsequently not expressed it 100% I would be a wealthy man.

On novelty betting such as this bookies will generally take the Michael when it comes to their 'margin'. Whilst a football match odds market may bet to 104%, something like "Who killed Ken Barlow?" or "What colour hat with the Queen be wearing at Royal Ascot" will bet to more like 120%.

One might look at this (as a punter) and say "I'm being ripped off" in the latter, where, in reality the prices (and therefore the overround/margin) are much less certain in the latter examples. The extra fat on the market comes about (a) to protect the bookies from this to an extent and (b) because they can and people are generally less price sensitive in such markets (owing in part to less competition).

When pricing up something like this (24 runners), if confident in my ability to price the market I would still look to bet to around 130%. That gives you 1.25%/runner (in the halcyon days before Betfair ruined it for everyone horse racing SPs were approaching 2%/runner) which feels about right.

The problem you have is that those on here are a lot more savvy than the average bear. They will moan at the overround and tell you your prices aren't competitive enough. That, as a customer, is their prerogative, but given the volatility you are taking on (relative to potential profit), I would stand by my recommendation in order that you, as bookmaker, are getting an appropriate balance of risk:reward.

If you fancy sticking your balls out of the bathwater on this one, lay me £250 Cheong @ 12s?? Wink

VBOL, and apologies if earlier message was brief (I was on the mobile).

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« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2012, 09:15:49 AM »

Also...

... if Dubai or Ed or anyone wouldnt mind sending a quick pm about how to go about pricing it up for next time so it's more in line with a bookie that'd be much appreciated Smiley

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« Reply #72 on: October 03, 2012, 09:17:35 AM »

Cheers Ed. A brief pm with how to work out the prices for everyone (assume 0 skill for ease) given chip counts would be really cool whenever you got a second.

Hmm 14s? Ive already been told was a generous price and it's sold out, why would I offer you 14s?!
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« Reply #73 on: October 03, 2012, 09:19:16 AM »

Lol you've edited to 12s now.

I don't want more than £1k exposure for any outcome so it's a no from me Smiley
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« Reply #74 on: October 03, 2012, 09:20:44 AM »


Joseph Cheong       US    1,381,000     9-1 up to £120 sold
Christopher Brammer     GB    956,000   10-1 up to £100 now up to 55
Jason Mercier       US    824,000   10-1 up to £100 sold
Phil Hellmuth       US    741,000   15-1 up to £65 now up to 45
Max Silver.              GB    656,000.  15-1 up to £65 now up to 55
Toby Lewis.         GB    456,000.  13-1 up to £75 now 16-1 up to £60
Liv Boeree.          GB    411,000.  15-1 up to £65 now 20-1 up to £50
Nicolas Cardyn       FR    285,000.  25-1 up to £40 now up to 20
Scott Seiver       US    251,000.  25-1 up to £40 sold
David Benyamine       US    217,000.  25-1 up to £40
Andy Frankenberger    US    186,000.  35-1 up to £30

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