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« on: August 05, 2012, 02:08:35 PM »

As I understand it, if I call a raise on the river, I'm entitled to see that players cards if he tries to muck them. Is this considered really bad form? I know the accepted standard is to just let him fold but just wondered what others think if I asked to see your cards?
This is not something I've ever done,just more of a 'what if' question.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2012, 02:17:29 PM »

You've answered your own question, yeah you can do it, but it's generally considered bad form to do so.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2012, 02:19:56 PM »

I never see if they muck nor do I ask to see if i'm scooping the pot. It's perceived as bad etiquette in the scene. On Pokerstars the options there to view his hand. I must admit, I do find it quite bizarre how over time its evolved into the perception of bad etiquette even though I stick to it and dont ask to see... but..you've paid to see shouldn't you have the right to see?
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2012, 02:27:48 PM »

I never ask to see an opponents cards, because of the chance they may have the winning hand!  I generally play more Omaha than Hold'em and am very pleased when players muck.
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2012, 02:47:10 PM »

I want to see the hand, is there for collusion, and not so you can demand to see opponents hands. Feel free to wait for me to show, but don't ask to see my hand, its rude and a misuse of the rule itself.
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2012, 02:54:29 PM »

I never see if they muck nor do I ask to see if i'm scooping the pot. It's perceived as bad etiquette in the scene. On Pokerstars the options there to view his hand. I must admit, I do find it quite bizarre how over time its evolved into the perception of bad etiquette even though I stick to it and dont ask to see... but..you've paid to see shouldn't you have the right to see?

It hasnt "evolved" from anything

Its allways been bad form to ask to see
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2012, 02:59:54 PM »

I never see if they muck nor do I ask to see if i'm scooping the pot. It's perceived as bad etiquette in the scene. On Pokerstars the options there to view his hand. I must admit, I do find it quite bizarre how over time its evolved into the perception of bad etiquette even though I stick to it and dont ask to see... but..you've paid to see shouldn't you have the right to see?

It hasnt "evolved" from anything

Its allways been bad form to ask to see

like rfgqqabc suggests the rule is there to prevent collusion, it isn't there to provide you with information - that's why it's bad form to ask (unless you think there has been collusion)
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2012, 03:01:05 PM »

I never see if they muck nor do I ask to see if i'm scooping the pot. It's perceived as bad etiquette in the scene. On Pokerstars the options there to view his hand. I must admit, I do find it quite bizarre how over time its evolved into the perception of bad etiquette even though I stick to it and dont ask to see... but..you've paid to see shouldn't you have the right to see?

Clearly a the view of a hoody wearing yoot, who thinks live poker has evolved from the online game.

You haven't 'paid to see' anything... you have called because you think you have the best hand, if your opponent mucks just stack the chips with a smile.
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2012, 03:30:34 PM »

What annoys me is when I call and the other player waits to see if I turn over first so he can muck if losing. I just sit and wait until he either mucks or shows.
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2012, 04:23:32 PM »

I never see if they muck nor do I ask to see if i'm scooping the pot. It's perceived as bad etiquette in the scene. On Pokerstars the options there to view his hand. I must admit, I do find it quite bizarre how over time its evolved into the perception of bad etiquette even though I stick to it and dont ask to see... but..you've paid to see shouldn't you have the right to see?

Clearly a the view of a hoody wearing yoot, who thinks live poker has evolved from the online game.

You haven't 'paid to see' anything... you have called because you think you have the best hand, if your opponent mucks just stack the chips with a smile.
Not a defender of the youth in anyway but if you think you have the best hand why are you calling. If you think you have the best hand let's raise it up n get the max value Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2012, 04:42:44 PM »

I never see if they muck nor do I ask to see if i'm scooping the pot. It's perceived as bad etiquette in the scene. On Pokerstars the options there to view his hand. I must admit, I do find it quite bizarre how over time its evolved into the perception of bad etiquette even though I stick to it and dont ask to see... but..you've paid to see shouldn't you have the right to see?

Clearly a the view of a hoody wearing yoot, who thinks live poker has evolved from the online game.

You haven't 'paid to see' anything... you have called because you think you have the best hand, if your opponent mucks just stack the chips with a smile.
Not a defender of the youth in anyway but if you think you have the best hand why are you calling. If you think you have the best hand let's raise it up n get the max value Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2012, 05:01:30 PM »

I never see if they muck nor do I ask to see if i'm scooping the pot. It's perceived as bad etiquette in the scene. On Pokerstars the options there to view his hand. I must admit, I do find it quite bizarre how over time its evolved into the perception of bad etiquette even though I stick to it and dont ask to see... but..you've paid to see shouldn't you have the right to see?

Clearly a the view of a hoody wearing yoot, who thinks live poker has evolved from the online game.

You haven't 'paid to see' anything... you have called because you think you have the best hand, if your opponent mucks just stack the chips with a smile.
Not a defender of the youth in anyway but if you think you have the best hand why are you calling. If you think you have the best hand let's raise it up n get the max value Smiley

So you make a habit of calling when you think you have the worst hand??

'Think' was the operative word... if you're confident you have the best hand then go ahead and raise it up.
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2012, 05:05:13 PM »

Had this same quistion come up on my table at the gps on friday and the table was split over it, i missed the hand my self as i was somewere else at the time but come back to hear it all kicking off.

In the end most people were saying its not bad form to ask if you was in the hand but defo a no no if not in the hand.

If it was up to me and i would ask even if i didt want to know but i would only do it if it would let me get inside my opps head and let me play with him mind (if you get me).
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2012, 06:31:56 PM »

I never see if they muck nor do I ask to see if i'm scooping the pot. It's perceived as bad etiquette in the scene. On Pokerstars the options there to view his hand. I must admit, I do find it quite bizarre how over time its evolved into the perception of bad etiquette even though I stick to it and dont ask to see... but..you've paid to see shouldn't you have the right to see?

Clearly a the view of a hoody wearing yoot, who thinks live poker has evolved from the online game.

You haven't 'paid to see' anything... you have called because you think you have the best hand, if your opponent mucks just stack the chips with a smile.
Not a defender of the youth in anyway but if you think you have the best hand why are you calling. If you think you have the best hand let's raise it up n get the max value Smiley

So you make a habit of calling when you think you have the worst hand??

'Think' was the operative word... if you're confident you have the best hand then go ahead and raise it up.
Called twice recently where I wanted to see my opponents hand on the river. They both mucked. When i was made to show the hand to claim the pot both guys claimed that they had better hands than me. They are two exceptions. 100% will fold if I think I have the worse hand.
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2012, 06:52:42 PM »

What annoys me is when I call and the other player waits to see if I turn over first so he can muck if losing. I just sit and wait until he either mucks or shows.

This ^^^^
Sooo many players try this
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