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« on: August 20, 2012, 03:45:20 PM »

If he'd tried to steal 1m from the government he'd have got 10 years or more.

This scumbag deserves to be locked up for alot longer imo.

Can't think of many more cruel crimes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-19318742

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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2012, 03:47:26 PM »

If he'd tried to steal 1m from the government he'd have got 10 years or more.

This scumbag deserves to be locked up for alot longer imo.

Can't think of many more cruel crimes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-19318742




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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2012, 03:48:53 PM »

If he'd tried to steal 1m from the government he'd have got 10 years or more.

This scumbag deserves to be locked up for alot longer imo.

Can't think of many more cruel crimes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-19318742


Hmmm...

If he had got away with it they would have been none the wiser too.
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2012, 03:55:19 PM »

Think it's enough of a deterrent. Pretty stupid to think he could get away with it
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2012, 03:59:45 PM »

If he'd tried to steal 1m from the government he'd have got 10 years or more.

This scumbag deserves to be locked up for alot longer imo.

Can't think of many more cruel crimes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-19318742


Hmmm...

If he had got away with it they would have been none the wiser too.

Government wouldn't miss a million if a civil servant put a few extra zeros on a gyro would they?
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2012, 04:03:13 PM »

Pretty sure this sort of thing goes on all the time with the smaller prizes.

I bought my first lottery tickets for ages for the Euromillions a couple of weeks ago - £20 across two tickets.

Each of them won £6 (sick brag) so I went to the shop to get the money. The guy scans them both then says £6 - and gives me the money. I get him to check them again and this time he comes up with the right number ('Sorry boss').

Now, it may have just been a random bad scan or something but I can just imagine the number of people who don't keep track of the smaller wins and trust the honesty of the shopkeeper to pay them out on all winning tickets.
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2012, 04:04:20 PM »

If he'd tried to steal 1m from the government he'd have got 10 years or more.

This scumbag deserves to be locked up for alot longer imo.

Can't think of many more cruel crimes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-19318742


Hmmm...

If he had got away with it they would have been none the wiser too.

Government wouldn't miss a million if a civil servant put a few extra zeros on a gyro would they?

Dunno, he's not stealing from the gov't.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2012, 04:09:23 PM »

Pretty sure this sort of thing goes on all the time with the smaller prizes.

I bought my first lottery tickets for ages for the Euromillions a couple of weeks ago - £20 across two tickets.

Each of them won £6 (sick brag) so I went to the shop to get the money. The guy scans them both then says £6 - and gives me the money. I get him to check them again and this time he comes up with the right number ('Sorry boss').

Now, it may have just been a random bad scan or something but I can just imagine the number of people who don't keep track of the smaller wins and trust the honesty of the shopkeeper to pay them out on all winning tickets.

You are almost certainly right.

Never considered it before.
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2012, 04:48:28 PM »

I can think of more cruel crimes but still is disgusting behaviour. But if you were struggling in life and you were holding a 1million pound ticket in your hand, and with one lie you could have that fortune. Be a messed up situation to be in. Me personally i wouldnt dare of kept that ticket, but i do unfortunatley know a lot of people who would.
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2012, 05:35:08 PM »

Sentencing is a tough game.

Would 5 years make him less likely to do it again than 2.5?

Does "If you do this, you will get 15 months in prison" act as a deterrent to others? Would 2.5 in prison do a better job?

Is he a danger to the public if released? tesco won't employ him again and he won't get the best reference for his next employer.

Yes yes we could chop his hand off and put him in some stocks but it is a delicate balance between making it worthwhile and financially sensible
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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2012, 05:55:00 PM »

Sentencing is a tough game.

Would 5 years make him less likely to do it again than 2.5?

Does "If you do this, you will get 15 months in prison" act as a deterrent to others? Would 2.5 in prison do a better job?

Is he a danger to the public if released? tesco won't employ him again and he won't get the best reference for his next employer.

Yes yes we could chop his hand off and put him in some stocks but it is a delicate balance between making it worthwhile and financially sensible

Depends on the reason for the sentence.

Punishment: he deserves far more imo.

Deterrent: he deserves more. I would guess a huge proportion of the people in the country would risk 18 months in nick for a decent shot at a million.

Rehabilitation: tough one. Would need more information on his character etc

Protecting society: he deserves less.
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2012, 06:30:33 PM »

Prison, as you rightly allude to, has next to nothing to do with rehab. Closest you get is a deterrent to the individual that might make them think twice.

This sort of criminal tends not to be treated too favourably in prison, although there are much worse crimes to get a kicking for. Burglars are one thing; actively swindling from old ladies might raise a few eyebrows, esp if it's in the news.

Category B prisons in some areas these days have a reputation for some pretty poor order. As one person told me, "there's a lot of kids trying to make a name for themselves". With the higher cat prisons, you have some really nasty people so the order is kept by the inmate hierarchy. If you want to keep your head down, it's almost easier in a Cat A than a Cat B.

In the current system, the chap will either come out unlikely to reoffend or the prospects of work will be so limited he'll learn how to do it better next time before he gets released!

Reoffending rates are so high atm.

Research suggests so many people commit crimes because they don't think they'll be caught. Even if they are caught, they don't think they'll be convicted. Even if they are convicted they don't think they'll go to prison.

That is the mentality you have to tackle. That's also where the game theory kicks in, rather than weighing up the sentence v the £1m reward. Same point but different emphasis.
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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2012, 08:09:52 PM »

I think people who don't check tickets deserve to be ripped of to be honest.

You can go in every bookie and you always have a customer who comes in and gets his Irish lottery ticket scanned and when they say "no good" he or she will throw it in the bin. It's silly.

asking someone to check your ticket or scan it in shop, just doesn't give you that gambling feeling.

30 months? Not sure if it's that hrash though really, it's fraud, just on a bigger scale. Isn't fraud 5 years?
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2012, 08:22:37 PM »

If he'd tried to steal 1m from the government he'd have got 10 years or more.

This scumbag deserves to be locked up for alot longer imo.

Can't think of many more cruel crimes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-19318742




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This ....sorry but FFS there are plenty of crueler crimes with less of a punishment than this!
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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2012, 08:25:15 PM »

I think people who don't check tickets deserve to be ripped of to be honest.

You can go in every bookie and you always have a customer who comes in and gets his Irish lottery ticket scanned and when they say "no good" he or she will throw it in the bin. It's silly.

asking someone to check your ticket or scan it in shop, just doesn't give you that gambling feeling.

30 months? Not sure if it's that hrash though really, it's fraud, just on a bigger scale. Isn't fraud 5 years?

WTF? I don't know what sort of upbringing you had, but that is just wrong mate........
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