30 months?

[bobAlike]

Surely the only deterrent can be more severe punishment?

3 strikes and out would be OK by me.

Definitely don't agree with this.

Yet your op seems to state 30 months isn't enough for fraud against an old biddy.
What would be enough Keith?

He gets 30 months.

Someone who gets done for shoplifting 3 times gets life.

That's as far away from fair as can be.

The problem is is when does the 3 times shoplifter decide to stop trashing other peoples human rights? I dont think a slap on the wrist is good enough.

[George2Loose]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-19318591

She gets half the time when IMO her crime is worse

She is obviously just stupid.

She shouldn't be allowed near her child ever again.

But I don't think she deserves a longer sentence at all.

So if the guy who tried to rip off the couple was a million it'd be ok for him to have a lighter sentence?

He tried to steal money whereas this "stupid" mother could have killed her child

[Laxie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-19318591

She gets half the time when IMO her crime is worse

She is obviously just stupid.

She shouldn't be allowed near her child ever again.

But I don't think she deserves a longer sentence at all.

So if the guy who tried to rip off the couple was a million it'd be ok for him to have a lighter sentence?

He tried to steal money whereas this "stupid" mother could have killed her child

Sentencing is a joke in many cases.  If money's involved, forget that nobody was actually physically hurt in any way, suddenly it's a serious crime and a strong sentence is dished out. 

Mess with another human being physically though and meh...they'll get over it.  Once the offender agrees to plead guilty, it's no more than a slap on the wrist for them compared to the thief.

Priorities have gone all twisted with a while now.  Money has become more important than people.  So wrong on so many levels imo.

[treefella]

Far too many people are put in prison for petty crime in this country IMO.
For what purpose does it serve?
This guy is clearly a chancer and a stupid one at that.
Because the victim is a pensioner and vulnerable we want to see a stiff sentence.
A million fraud is a million fraud , no matter who the victim of it.
 People  will always try their luck if the only sentence is 12 months cushy time watching Jeremy Kyle and Xfactor in your nice little room. Cos that's all he will end up doing out of a 30 month sentence .

get him to wash shitty arses for a couple of years, digging holes, picking litter, scrubbing public toilets, yes lets have the chain gangs !
would probably cost just as much to manage but far more worthwhile and far more of a punishment for crimes such as this.

[The Camel]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-19318591

She gets half the time when IMO her crime is worse

She is obviously just stupid.

She shouldn't be allowed near her child ever again.

But I don't think she deserves a longer sentence at all.

So if the guy who tried to rip off the couple was a million it'd be ok for him to have a lighter sentence?

He tried to steal money whereas this "stupid" mother could have killed her child

The guy set out to be callous.

Trying to steal life changing money from a defenceless old woman.

The woman was careless and ignorant. Unless it can be proved she was knowingly being cruel, I don't think punishing her does anything.

She should lose all rights to look after her child though.

[MintTrav]

3 strikes and out would be OK by me.

jail them for a long time. Space an issue, build more, we are an island, we've plenty of room!

The UK already has more people in prison per capita than any other country in Western Europe. You think that should be increased?

[Woodsey]

3 strikes and out would be OK by me.

jail them for a long time. Space an issue, build more, we are an island, we've plenty of room!

The UK already has more people in prison per capita than any other country in Western Europe. You think that should be increased?

Who cares, if they deserve it, they deserve it........

[david3103]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-19318591

She gets half the time when IMO her crime is worse

She is obviously just stupid.

She shouldn't be allowed near her child ever again.

But I don't think she deserves a longer sentence at all.

So if the guy who tried to rip off the couple was a million it'd be ok for him to have a lighter sentence?

He tried to steal money whereas this "stupid" mother could have killed her child

The guy set out to be callous.

Trying to steal life changing money from a defenceless old woman.

The woman was careless and ignorant. Unless it can be proved she was knowingly being cruel, I don't think punishing her does anything.

She should lose all rights to look after her child though.

Make your mind up. Or do you not think taking he child away is a punishment?

[The Camel]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-19318591

She gets half the time when IMO her crime is worse

She is obviously just stupid.

She shouldn't be allowed near her child ever again.

But I don't think she deserves a longer sentence at all.

So if the guy who tried to rip off the couple was a million it'd be ok for him to have a lighter sentence?

He tried to steal money whereas this "stupid" mother could have killed her child

The guy set out to be callous.

Trying to steal life changing money from a defenceless old woman.

The woman was careless and ignorant. Unless it can be proved she was knowingly being cruel, I don't think punishing her does anything.

She should lose all rights to look after her child though.

Make your mind up. Or do you not think taking he child away is a punishment?

the fact it is a punishment is incidental.

You are taking the child away for it's own safety and welfare.

[david3103]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-19318591

She gets half the time when IMO her crime is worse

She is obviously just stupid.

She shouldn't be allowed near her child ever again.

But I don't think she deserves a longer sentence at all.

So if the guy who tried to rip off the couple was a million it'd be ok for him to have a lighter sentence?

He tried to steal money whereas this "stupid" mother could have killed her child

The guy set out to be callous.

Trying to steal life changing money from a defenceless old woman.

The woman was careless and ignorant. Unless it can be proved she was knowingly being cruel, I don't think punishing her does anything.

She should lose all rights to look after her child though.

Make your mind up. Or do you not think taking he child away is a punishment?

the fact it is a punishment is incidental.

You are taking the child away for it's own safety and welfare.

fair enough, but my bleeding heart liberal tendencies lead me to think that the mother is in need of help and support rather than a lifelong punishment.

[bobAlike]

3 strikes and out would be OK by me.

jail them for a long time. Space an issue, build more, we are an island, we've plenty of room!

The UK already has more people in prison per capita than any other country in Western Europe. You think that should be increased?

The point is that why is the prison population so high? Could it be that namby pamby custodial sentences aren't deterrent enough? Maybe if people were more afraid of going to jail we would need less cells?

[Waz1892]

3 strikes and out would be OK by me.

jail them for a long time. Space an issue, build more, we are an island, we've plenty of room!

The UK already has more people in prison per capita than any other country in Western Europe. You think that should be increased?

If its required yes. The other option albeit simplistic, to go soft on criminals or petty crimes just because we've no room?!

I'd play the long game, get tough, proper tough, and over time you see a dramatic drop in petty crime and so numbers would drop.

Theory anyway!

[superwomble]

Surely the only deterrent can be more severe punishment?

3 strikes and out would be OK by me.

Definitely don't agree with this.

Yet your op seems to state 30 months isn't enough for fraud against an old biddy.
What would be enough Keith?

He gets 30 months.

Someone who gets done for shoplifting 3 times gets life.

That's as far away from fair as can be.

Why is that not fair? If that is the rule, and everyone knows that is the rule, then if you are stupid/criminal enough to commit the same crime 3 times (that we know about) then surely you deserve anything you get?

[The Camel]

Surely the only deterrent can be more severe punishment?

3 strikes and out would be OK by me.

Definitely don't agree with this.

Yet your op seems to state 30 months isn't enough for fraud against an old biddy.
What would be enough Keith?

He gets 30 months.

Someone who gets done for shoplifting 3 times gets life.

That's as far away from fair as can be.

Why is that not fair? If that is the rule, and everyone knows that is the rule, then if you are stupid/criminal enough to commit the same crime 3 times (that we know about) then surely you deserve anything you get?

Because people sometimes commit crimes through necessity.

Ie they haven't eaten for 3 days because they are broke. They steal a scotch egg from Tescos.

Life imprisonment for that? mmmmmm

[superwomble]

It wouldn't be life imprisonment for that though would it? It would be life imprisonment for that PLUS the two previous offences.