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[titaniumbean]

pleno, get better at phone typos ffs

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[NEWY]

When I say it's relatively easy to make 30k I mean if you treat it as a full time job and put in the required hours a effort.

It's like saying oh yeh if I have a shit say at work I'm just going to leave. Unfortunately you can just say fuck you boss.

But ok cool been pretty good thread lol

I still quite new to this so have had my bit of fun,  I will retreat to the back benches again now and leave it to herbie and the rest of the pros. I am starting to bore myself. GL with it all, win the world

[skolsuper]

Unfortunately you're wrong about this pleno, not everybody can make a living playing poker even if they do put the effort in. I dont entirely know why, it's probably a different reason for every different individual, but what I can tell you for sure is that the only way to make money from staking is to stake winning players. You can either take my word for this or spend a lot of time and money finding it out for yourself, like I did. Spose your idea might make a passable reality tv show, if you combined it with some kind of shore maybe.

[rfgqqabc]

Unfortunately you're wrong about this pleno, not everybody can make a living playing poker even if they do put the effort in. I dont entirely know why, it's probably a different reason for every different individual, but what I can tell you for sure is that the only way to make money from staking is to stake winning players. You can either take my word for this or spend a lot of time and money finding it out for yourself, like I did. Spose your idea might make a passable reality tv show, if you combined it with some kind of shore maybe.

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[SuuPRlim]

Unfortunately you're wrong about this pleno, not everybody can make a living playing poker even if they do put the effort in. I dont entirely know why, it's probably a different reason for every different individual, but what I can tell you for sure is that the only way to make money from staking is to stake winning players. You can either take my word for this or spend a lot of time and money finding it out for yourself, like I did. Spose your idea might make a passable reality tv show, if you combined it with some kind of shore maybe.

100% +1 Keys

I've actually typed out two long replies to why it isn't as easy as you say, but disagreed in principal to both of them reading it back. Making money from poker is hard, no matter what anyone tells me.  I've got a lot to say on the subject, but will save it for later.

What I will say though is I thoroughly get why someone like you should find it simple enough to make £30k p/a at poker. You have to understand your knowledge/position in the game is very high compared to the "stnd" player.

(thats a compliment btw )

[pleno1]

But thu don't have to beAt the game? They can win at like 1bb/100 and earn more than 30k in rakeback.

[AlunB]

pleno's talking about working 40/50 hours a week grinding online - I couldn't just "add that" to my live schedule. I've been playing probably 20 hours a week online for the last 4/5 months and done OK, but not winning much, but the variance is so big in MTTs that the results in that time matter very little.

Horses are always in makeup, everytime they play a comp they're in makeup. Overall they're doing very good and  will get better over time I'm sure.

Yeah I get all that.. MTT big variance etc my point was because of this y not jus go down the easy £30k route and clone it X number of times via teaching pupils = £lots. obv not that easy and I was prob being a bit flippant as I believe pleno was when he stated it.  Altho pleno finds it relatively easy in reality it cant be that easy for even those slightly above average or everyone wud do it. Ty for replying will draw a line under it now and gl with ur mtt grind and ur stable.

It's really my as simple as you say, likewise it's not as simple as I say either.

People are really lazy or they are v über airworthy. People give up far too easily and people are scared to commit or take a chance.

There is less than 0.1% of people who would actually give up their 20k year a job to try and make a success of this and rightfully so as a lot of people won't have coaxes or people to hold their hand.

Douglas rider actually recently took 3 Chinese geniuses on and rougt them to Vegas iirc they went from nl100 to ml10k. V quick and after 3 months playing poker one knocked Philip Ivey donut out of the 10k shoot out in the WSOP.

I'm certain that for example a Maths based guy who is quite streetwise and normal would make a very good wage. It's just so unrealistic that this happens. Regarding stables, again this is very unlikely for example in my stable I have a guy who IRS to Nigeria and offline for a month very now r then a poker room dealer who works on weekends when the games are tough and a guy who works long hours in it ad then goes home to see his family on the weekend.

Poker takes a backseat, rightfully so and of anything all of these guys should probably just completely forget about poker and enjoy their social times with friends or doing other things than grinding small cash games as in 80pc of occasions they will just not be able to overcome the time issues and also when they do play they will e v tired/not focused and lose concentration, a la John black.

He's perfect example if he actually played full time and had to pay bills and played when he wants rather than having I feel like he needs to win x amount in each session e would probably be very successful. He fact is he has a job, travels in his job and has a gf. He really loves the game and tries very hard the simple fact is its just difficult to put learning and playing poker alogosde a normal life.

This comes from a guy who works a full time job, plays football 3 times a week, coaches 15 hours a month, tries to run a stable and then fit in time for poker!

The British Shaun Deeb imo. Can someone start translating Pleno's posts please?

[AlunB]

Unfortunately you're wrong about this pleno, not everybody can make a living playing poker even if they do put the effort in. I dont entirely know why, it's probably a different reason for every different individual, but what I can tell you for sure is that the only way to make money from staking is to stake winning players. You can either take my word for this or spend a lot of time and money finding it out for yourself, like I did. Spose your idea might make a passable reality tv show, if you combined it with some kind of shore maybe.

100% +1 Keys

I've actually typed out two long replies to why it isn't as easy as you say, but disagreed in principal to both of them reading it back. Making money from poker is hard, no matter what anyone tells me.  I've got a lot to say on the subject, but will save it for later.

What I will say though is I thoroughly get why someone like you should find it simple enough to make £30k p/a at poker. You have to understand your knowledge/position in the game is very high compared to the "stnd" player.

(thats a compliment btw )

This comes back to what I said earlier about intelligence sometimes being a hindrance. Intelligent people sometimes really struggle to explain themselves to less intelligent people (think of a shit professor for anyone who went to uni). And they frequently fail to understand just how hard some people find the things they find really fkn easy. Same applies for people who are really good at poker. I know plenty of smart people who just don't get poker and probably never will.

[AndrewT]

pleno's talking about working 40/50 hours a week grinding online - I couldn't just "add that" to my live schedule. I've been playing probably 20 hours a week online for the last 4/5 months and done OK, but not winning much, but the variance is so big in MTTs that the results in that time matter very little.

Horses are always in makeup, everytime they play a comp they're in makeup. Overall they're doing very good and  will get better over time I'm sure.

Yeah I get all that.. MTT big variance etc my point was because of this y not jus go down the easy £30k route and clone it X number of times via teaching pupils = £lots. obv not that easy and I was prob being a bit flippant as I believe pleno was when he stated it.  Altho pleno finds it relatively easy in reality it cant be that easy for even those slightly above average or everyone wud do it. Ty for replying will draw a line under it now and gl with ur mtt grind and ur stable.

It's really my as simple as you say, likewise it's not as simple as I say either.

People are really lazy or they are v über airworthy. People give up far too easily and people are scared to commit or take a chance.

There is less than 0.1% of people who would actually give up their 20k year a job to try and make a success of this and rightfully so as a lot of people won't have coaxes or people to hold their hand.

Douglas rider actually recently took 3 Chinese geniuses on and rougt them to Vegas iirc they went from nl100 to ml10k. V quick and after 3 months playing poker one knocked Philip Ivey donut out of the 10k shoot out in the WSOP.

I'm certain that for example a Maths based guy who is quite streetwise and normal would make a very good wage. It's just so unrealistic that this happens. Regarding stables, again this is very unlikely for example in my stable I have a guy who IRS to Nigeria and offline for a month very now r then a poker room dealer who works on weekends when the games are tough and a guy who works long hours in it ad then goes home to see his family on the weekend.

Poker takes a backseat, rightfully so and of anything all of these guys should probably just completely forget about poker and enjoy their social times with friends or doing other things than grinding small cash games as in 80pc of occasions they will just not be able to overcome the time issues and also when they do play they will e v tired/not focused and lose concentration, a la John black.

He's perfect example if he actually played full time and had to pay bills and played when he wants rather than having I feel like he needs to win x amount in each session e would probably be very successful. He fact is he has a job, travels in his job and has a gf. He really loves the game and tries very hard the simple fact is its just difficult to put learning and playing poker alogosde a normal life.

This comes from a guy who works a full time job, plays football 3 times a week, coaches 15 hours a month, tries to run a stable and then fit in time for poker!

The British Shaun Deeb imo. Can someone start translating Pleno's posts please?

Translation: Anyone can be the best in the business if they put their mind to it.

[skolsuper]

But thu don't have to beAt the game? They can win at like 1bb/100 and earn more than 30k in rakeback.

Winning at 1bb/100 is harder than you think. 1bb/100 post-rake is actually equivalent to something like 11bb/100 pre-rake at 50nl. I seem to remember you posting about this before somewhere so you can probably give more accurate numbers than that.

Unfortunately you're wrong about this pleno, not everybody can make a living playing poker even if they do put the effort in. I dont entirely know why, it's probably a different reason for every different individual, but what I can tell you for sure is that the only way to make money from staking is to stake winning players. You can either take my word for this or spend a lot of time and money finding it out for yourself, like I did. Spose your idea might make a passable reality tv show, if you combined it with some kind of shore maybe.

100% +1 Keys

I've actually typed out two long replies to why it isn't as easy as you say, but disagreed in principal to both of them reading it back. Making money from poker is hard, no matter what anyone tells me.  I've got a lot to say on the subject, but will save it for later.

What I will say though is I thoroughly get why someone like you should find it simple enough to make £30k p/a at poker. You have to understand your knowledge/position in the game is very high compared to the "stnd" player.

(thats a compliment btw )

I know exactly what you mean, I actually disagree with myself in principal as well

By which I mean I don't believe I'm special or have some kind of innate talent for poker, and it should be just a matter of hard work and quality teaching. I think it's just really a matter of timescales, IMO it'd take a minimum of 18 months and probably more like 3-5 years of quality practice (low number of tables) to get to a level where one could make a living from the game, for a total beginner. No staker I know has the money or patience to get through that process with someone, thus I just don't think it's viable to take losing players and turn them into winning horses.

[Jon MW]

Unfortunately you're wrong about this pleno, not everybody can make a living playing poker even if they do put the effort in. I dont entirely know why, it's probably a different reason for every different individual, but what I can tell you for sure is that the only way to make money from staking is to stake winning players. You can either take my word for this or spend a lot of time and money finding it out for yourself, like I did. Spose your idea might make a passable reality tv show, if you combined it with some kind of shore maybe.

100% +1 Keys

I've actually typed out two long replies to why it isn't as easy as you say, but disagreed in principal to both of them reading it back. Making money from poker is hard, no matter what anyone tells me.  I've got a lot to say on the subject, but will save it for later.

What I will say though is I thoroughly get why someone like you should find it simple enough to make £30k p/a at poker. You have to understand your knowledge/position in the game is very high compared to the "stnd" player.

(thats a compliment btw )

This comes back to what I said earlier about intelligence sometimes being a hindrance. Intelligent people sometimes really struggle to explain themselves to less intelligent people (think of a shit professor for anyone who went to uni). And they frequently fail to understand just how hard some people find the things they find really fkn easy. Same applies for people who are really good at poker. I know plenty of smart people who just don't get poker and probably never will.

At least half of the population just wouldn't have good enough number sense to ever be profitable at poker, even before you take in to account any of the subtler skills.

[Doobs]

Unfortunately you're wrong about this pleno, not everybody can make a living playing poker even if they do put the effort in. I dont entirely know why, it's probably a different reason for every different individual, but what I can tell you for sure is that the only way to make money from staking is to stake winning players. You can either take my word for this or spend a lot of time and money finding it out for yourself, like I did. Spose your idea might make a passable reality tv show, if you combined it with some kind of shore maybe.

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call

[pleno1]

also regarding the many many guys who play MTT's and are in huge Makeup, how exactly does it work?

[Dubai]

In before Herbie

[Doobs]

Herbie's right all along obv.