Muslim world overreaction ?

[kinboshi]

Hitler was a Christian.

Tosser, really, you are

Good argument.  Well done.

Whereas you would need to work quite hard to show Hitler was a christian, i wouldn't have to try quite so hard to back up my assertion

Pretty powerful argument imo

No your strawman argument is pathetically weak. If it's evidence you want, why not start with this:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

You're really quite insane.

It's like me referring you to a Nazi site as evidence that their racial theories & claims stand up to scrutiny

Thanks for adding your evidence to the debate.

I appreciate your diagnosis of my insanity based on my lack of belief of the completely irrational.

However, being a secularist I'd fight for your right to believe in what you want and to be able to practice your faith (at home, or in a place of worship) without you being threatened or your rights infringed upon. The only thing that stops people doing that is religion (and possibly extreme communist powers that exhibit a religious-like grip over the country).

Religion divides. It impedes on human rights (women in Muslim countries, gay people's rights in many Christian and Muslim countries, women's rights in Christian countries where they don't have the right to decide what to do with their bodies, the right for those who are dying and in pain to choose how they die is restricted by laws based on Christian beliefs that it's god who gives life and he who takes it away, etc.).

Of course, there are very good people who are part of all religions, just as there are bad people who aren't religious. But as the quote says, (and I paraphrase) evil people do evil things but it takes religion for good people to do evil things.

[AdamM]

Sigh, why do I keep replying to these types of thread.

True removing religion would not end all that is wrong with the world but it would come closer than removing or changing anything else. When people honestly believe that they are doing a gods will you can justify anything. Without religion there would be less wars and people would just generally be nicer. I am not going to bother listing the problems caused by religion as you know them. A few people would find another excuse to be tossers but the majority of the issues caused by religion just would not happen. These people honestly think they are doing good somehow.

It's not the people (in the main), people are mostly good and try to do what is right "Religion Posions Everything".

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot... pretty endless list. This common assertion that without religion there would be greater harmony in the world is so absurdly fallacious I'm surprised thinking people still make it

People are not that far evolved from the basic warring, plundering, take what you need, atavistic savages we always were.

A much more convincing argument is that religion, for the most part, civilises us.

Incidentally, Godwin's Law; you lose

[rfgqqabc]

Hitler was a Christian.

Tosser, really, you are

Good argument.  Well done.

Whereas you would need to work quite hard to show Hitler was a christian, i wouldn't have to try quite so hard to back up my assertion

Pretty powerful argument imo

No your strawman argument is pathetically weak. If it's evidence you want, why not start with this:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

Taking Mein Kampf or any of Hitlers highly propagandised materials as gospel would be a mistake.

"Adolf Hitler was raised by a Christian Catholic father and a devout Catholic mother; he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity.[1][2] Prior to World War II Hitler had promoted "positive Christianity", a movement which purged Christianity of its Jewish elements and instilled it with Nazi philosophy.[3] According to the controversial collection of transcripts edited by Martin Bormann, titled Hitler's Table Talk, as well as the testimony of some intimates, Hitler had privately negative views of Christianity. Others reported he was a committed believer.[4][5]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Furthermore your links assertion that Hitler was Christian because he set up the Reich German Church is ridiculous. The Church was set up purely to move the Catholic/Protestants churches away from the general public. By creating this Church, that ignored the bible in favour of Mein Kampf, he prevented another voice in his public's conscience.
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As far as the current violence is concerned, I despise it. However, one has to ask why anyone would create a film that would provoke such anger. It is a chicken and the egg circle, no film = no violence, no extremism = no film

Mr. Kiniboshi

[kinboshi]

Hitler was a Christian.

Tosser, really, you are

Good argument.  Well done.

Whereas you would need to work quite hard to show Hitler was a christian, i wouldn't have to try quite so hard to back up my assertion

Pretty powerful argument imo

No your strawman argument is pathetically weak. If it's evidence you want, why not start with this:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

Taking Mein Kampf or any of Hitlers highly propagandised materials as gospel would be a mistake.

"Adolf Hitler was raised by a Christian Catholic father and a devout Catholic mother; he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity.[1][2] Prior to World War II Hitler had promoted "positive Christianity", a movement which purged Christianity of its Jewish elements and instilled it with Nazi philosophy.[3] According to the controversial collection of transcripts edited by Martin Bormann, titled Hitler's Table Talk, as well as the testimony of some intimates, Hitler had privately negative views of Christianity. Others reported he was a committed believer.[4][5]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Furthermore your links assertion that Hitler was Christian because he set up the Reich German Church is ridiculous. The Church was set up purely to move the Catholic/Protestants churches away from the general public. By creating this Church, that ignored the bible in favour of Mein Kampf, he prevented another voice in his public's conscience.
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As far as the current violence is concerned, I despise it. However, one has to ask why anyone would create a film that would provoke such anger. It is a chicken and the egg circle, no film = no violence, no extremism = no film

Mr. Kiniboshi

What?

I never said that Hitler carried out his atrocities in the name of religion, just that he was a Christian.  The same way that Stalin or Mao didn't kill millions in the name of atheism. There are plenty of wars in the name of religion, I don't recall any carried out in the name of atheism - but maybe I have selective memory?