Poker in Sheffield

[youthnkzR]

Serious Poker in Sheffield is dead and has been since the end of 2005 .

Before that Napoleons Owlerton had a monopoly on poker In the North .I would play there often  with the likes of George Geary , Dave Smith ( RIP Both ) Mr Camel , Tikay ,CJ Law ,Thomas Dunwoodie, Lawrence Gosney, Devilfish, Jason Herbert , Colclough,Thewy ,Wadey ,Greg Junior and the rest of The Nottingham lads , plus all the other usual suspects  turning up for regular nights and festivals.  Good times they were too !

Things were going great until the managements new policies totally pissed the players off (especially the ones that had to travel) . One of the main problems is that they wouldnt take registrations over the phone or let anybody else buy in for them unless they were physically on the premises.There was also no late registration ,so what happened is  people would drive for 2 or 3 hours to get there find that the tournament had little or no interest ,the management would then delay the start and eventually make a decision that it wouldnt go ahead due to lack of interest.As a consequence people started losing the will to live and couldnt be bothered to travel anymore which in turn affected the cash game numbers and eventually the whole higher stakes scene died out.

Since then there has been the odd false dawn with £50 Sunday night game at Naps (Ecclesall Road) and G but again they just keep dieing off due to the lack of numbers.

As Aaron says there is  the Wednesday night £20 re buy which generates decent money for a lower buy in comp( and has done for years) and of course with the satelites , national advertising and momentum the £400 genting comp last month did bring the numbers in for the first time in seven years which was good to see.

As a Sheffield lad myself, I have hardly played here since its glory days , which is obviously a shame considering we are the 4th/5th biggest city in The UK . Maybe the Sheffield people are just too tight or they simply havent got the money in the present climate.. Who Knows ?

As regards the solution to get poker back on its feet here ?... Im not sure there is one which is a crying shame...still its only 45 mins down the M1 to my spiritual home at DTD.   
 

   

I went to the G Casino last night and was speaking to the cardroom manager about the new schedule, seems not too bad to me for Sheffield.

Mon (7.30pm): £100+£10 F/O - £3.3K GTD with 30 / £5.5K GTD with 50
Tues (7.30pm): £10 x2 Chance - £400 with 30 / £800 with 50
Wed (7.30pm): £25 Deepstack - £1k with 30 / £1.5k with 50
Thurs (7.30pm): £20 x2 Chance - £1k with 30 / £2k with 50
Fri (7.30pm): £15 Deepstack - £600 with 30 / £1k with 50
Sat (4pm): £10 PLO x2 Chance - £400 with 30 / £600 with 50
Sat (7.30pm): £25 Deepstack - £1k with 30 / £1.5k with 50
Sun (4pm): £50 F/O - £1.75k with 30 / £2.75k with 50

Re-entries on all tournaments up to level 3.

Obviously its not the best schedule, and most of the tournaments are still bowl, but for Sheffield it seems like a decent schedule.

[FUN4FRASER]

Serious Poker in Sheffield is dead and has been since the end of 2005 .

Before that Napoleons Owlerton had a monopoly on poker In the North .I would play there often  with the likes of George Geary , Dave Smith ( RIP Both ) Mr Camel , Tikay ,CJ Law ,Thomas Dunwoodie, Lawrence Gosney, Devilfish, Jason Herbert ,Rob and Nick from DTD, Colclough,Thewy ,Wadey ,Greg Junior and the rest of The Nottingham lads , plus all the other usual suspects  turning up for regular nights and festivals.  Good times they were too !

Things were going great until the managements new policies totally pissed the players off (especially the ones that had to travel) . One of the main problems is that they wouldnt take registrations over the phone or let anybody else buy in for them unless they were physically on the premises.There was also no late registration ,so what happened is  people would drive for 2 or 3 hours to get there find that the tournament had actually started or delayed due to little or no interest ,the management would then eventually make a decision that it wouldnt go ahead due to lack of numbers .As a consequence people started losing the will to live and couldnt be bothered to travel anymore which in turn affected the cash game numbers and eventually the whole higher stakes scene died out.

Since then there has been the odd false dawn with £50 Sunday night game at Naps (Ecclesall Road) and G but again they just keep dieing off due to the lack of numbers.

As Aaron says there is  the Wednesday night £20 re buy which generates decent money for a lower buy in comp( and has done for years) and of course with the satelites , national advertising and momentum the £400 genting comp last month did bring the numbers in for the first time in seven years which was good to see.

As a Sheffield lad myself, I have hardly played here since its glory days , which is obviously a shame considering we are the 4th/5th biggest city in The UK . Maybe the Sheffield people are just too tight or they simply havent got the money in the present climate.. Who Knows ?

As regards the solution to get poker back on its feet here ?... Im not sure there is one which is a crying shame...still its only 45 mins down the M1 to my spiritual home at DTD.   
 

   

[youthnkzR]

wtf ive quoted you before you wrote it

<--- psychic - should have my own tv show

[smashedagain]

Lol don't know what went on there but was telling me new reply 3 times and nothing there

[aaron1867]

That schedule looks awful Tom!

[FUN4FRASER]

That schedule looks awful Tom!

Really  ?  Looks like The Nuts for Sheffiield

[RickBFA]

Serious Poker in Sheffield is dead and has been since the end of 2005 .

Before that Napoleons Owlerton had a monopoly on poker In the North .I would play there often  with the likes of George Geary , Dave Smith ( RIP Both ) Mr Camel , Tikay ,CJ Law ,Thomas Dunwoodie, Lawrence Gosney, Devilfish, Jason Herbert ,Rob and Nick from DTD, Colclough,Thewy ,Wadey ,Greg Junior and the rest of The Nottingham lads , plus all the other usual suspects  turning up for regular nights and festivals.  Good times they were too !

Things were going great until the managements new policies totally pissed the players off (especially the ones that had to travel) . One of the main problems is that they wouldnt take registrations over the phone or let anybody else buy in for them unless they were physically on the premises.There was also no late registration ,so what happened is  people would drive for 2 or 3 hours to get there find that the tournament had actually started or delayed due to little or no interest ,the management would then eventually make a decision that it wouldnt go ahead due to lack of numbers .As a consequence people started losing the will to live and couldnt be bothered to travel anymore which in turn affected the cash game numbers and eventually the whole higher stakes scene died out.

Since then there has been the odd false dawn with £50 Sunday night game at Naps (Ecclesall Road) and G but again they just keep dieing off due to the lack of numbers.

As Aaron says there is  the Wednesday night £20 re buy which generates decent money for a lower buy in comp( and has done for years) and of course with the satelites , national advertising and momentum the £400 genting comp last month did bring the numbers in for the first time in seven years which was good to see.

As a Sheffield lad myself, I have hardly played here since its glory days , which is obviously a shame considering we are the 4th/5th biggest city in The UK . Maybe the Sheffield people are just too tight or they simply havent got the money in the present climate.. Who Knows ?

As regards the solution to get poker back on its feet here ?... Im not sure there is one which is a crying shame...still its only 45 mins down the M1 to my spiritual home at DTD.   
 

   

Yes its a shame. The wednesday night game at Owlerton still attracts players like Wadey, Ali Mallu, Gosney etc and has a reputation for having a £10k plus pot every week.

Genting had a big chance to build another game I think but they made little effort to make it work. They dont seem interested to be honest. They got 32 runners for a sunday night £50 rebuy but that dwindled. People suggested moving it to Monday nights and trying to attract players with added money in the short term but it fell on deaf ears.

I think people would come if the game developed a reputation for getting 50 plus players but that's down to the casino to make it happen. None of them want it.

[youthnkzR]

That schedule looks awful Tom!

Really  ?  Looks like The Nuts for Sheffiield

Agreed. Maybe for elsewhere in the country it wouldn't be great but compared to some of this shit we have been getting around here its not half bad.

[smokynuts]

wish they would sort out at least 1 decent tounment

being there about 8 times twice touniments did not run and no cash games going played the 50 rebuy twice with less than 30 players.i will return but they need to sort these tounies out (((no rebuys,))

[aaron1867]

Serious Poker in Sheffield is dead and has been since the end of 2005 .

Before that Napoleons Owlerton had a monopoly on poker In the North .I would play there often  with the likes of George Geary , Dave Smith ( RIP Both ) Mr Camel , Tikay ,CJ Law ,Thomas Dunwoodie, Lawrence Gosney, Devilfish, Jason Herbert , Colclough,Thewy ,Wadey ,Greg Junior and the rest of The Nottingham lads , plus all the other usual suspects  turning up for regular nights and festivals.  Good times they were too !

Things were going great until the managements new policies totally pissed the players off (especially the ones that had to travel) . One of the main problems is that they wouldnt take registrations over the phone or let anybody else buy in for them unless they were physically on the premises.There was also no late registration ,so what happened is  people would drive for 2 or 3 hours to get there find that the tournament had little or no interest ,the management would then delay the start and eventually make a decision that it wouldnt go ahead due to lack of interest.As a consequence people started losing the will to live and couldnt be bothered to travel anymore which in turn affected the cash game numbers and eventually the whole higher stakes scene died out.

Since then there has been the odd false dawn with £50 Sunday night game at Naps (Ecclesall Road) and G but again they just keep dieing off due to the lack of numbers.

As Aaron says there is  the Wednesday night £20 re buy which generates decent money for a lower buy in comp( and has done for years) and of course with the satelites , national advertising and momentum the £400 genting comp last month did bring the numbers in for the first time in seven years which was good to see.

As a Sheffield lad myself, I have hardly played here since its glory days , which is obviously a shame considering we are the 4th/5th biggest city in The UK . Maybe the Sheffield people are just too tight or they simply havent got the money in the present climate.. Who Knows ?

As regards the solution to get poker back on its feet here ?... Im not sure there is one which is a crying shame...still its only 45 mins down the M1 to my spiritual home at DTD.   
 

   

I went to the G Casino last night and was speaking to the cardroom manager about the new schedule, seems not too bad to me for Sheffield.

Mon (7.30pm): £100+£10 F/O - £3.3K GTD with 30 / £5.5K GTD with 50
Tues (7.30pm): £10 x2 Chance - £400 with 30 / £800 with 50
Wed (7.30pm): £25 Deepstack - £1k with 30 / £1.5k with 50
Thurs (7.30pm): £20 x2 Chance - £1k with 30 / £2k with 50
Fri (7.30pm): £15 Deepstack - £600 with 30 / £1k with 50
Sat (4pm): £10 PLO x2 Chance - £400 with 30 / £600 with 50
Sat (7.30pm): £25 Deepstack - £1k with 30 / £1.5k with 50
Sun (4pm): £50 F/O - £1.75k with 30 / £2.75k with 50

Re-entries on all tournaments up to level 3.

Obviously its not the best schedule, and most of the tournaments are still bowl, but for Sheffield it seems like a decent schedule.

You see, the G-Casino do not know hot to organise anything poker wise, because they do not want to know. They do not even want to add more money & my view here is that the guarantees they are putting out are pathetic.

It is terrible shame that with Genting being such a massive company, that they do not want to add a little money to get the games going, they adda little money, then the numbers will come, because at the moment from what I can gather, the tournaments are not there & cash tables are not as busy as G-Casino. It comes to a point, where perhaps we are saaying that Napoleons has the best card room in Sheffield, when really it shouldn't be the case.

They can add a few rebuys, FO's and double chancers & they will be perfect for the schedule, which I don't think is upto much at the moment & that is the general feeling of the players.

What they could do, which a few choices:

Monday: 50 rebuy (5/6k unconditional gte for a few weeks) or perhaps a £50 double chance
Tuesday: £30 deepstack
Wednesday: £10 HH
Thursday: £10 double chance
Friday: Freeroll?
Saturday: Freeroll?
Sunday: £40 deepstack??

I would put it along those lines.

I would probably even try for a £30 rebuy in all honesty, would get some money in the pot!!! £15k gte at G, was good nights!!

[BorntoBubble]

The thing is about the £20/£30 rebuys in my opinion is that they are good loss leaders for the casino's the type of people they bring in are gamblers. They surely can add £1k/£2k to the pot if they can get a £10/£15K comp going in turn that brings bigger cash games bigger roulette etc etc seems like a win to me!

The issue is to me they don't seem bothered. G got a good thing going with the sunday roast and then they messed it up! Adding seats in freerolls etc is good for the game it means you can get 20/30 freeroll qualifiers in a comp and it "adds value". I think the sunday roast type structure £50 one rebuy/ one add  is definitely a comp that is missing on a sunday in sheffield mabye even £75 double chance etc.

If i were a card room manager i would be going with £20 rebuy on a wednesday with a £10K guarntee or £1000 added something like that. And then a £75 double chance on a sunday Guarnateed at £10K also. With Freerolls running Friday Saturday nights. with say 5 added seats to the Double chance on Sunday. Mabye the Monday and Tuesday Comps could also add £20 rebuy tokens in as well so you get more players for the rebuys on Wednesday nights. For example each player on the final table of the monday and tuesday comp gets a £20 entry into the wednesday comp or a £20 rebuy etc. etc!

[Skippy]

The problem with giving away money is you have to give away money.

Do you think that casino's that (say) add £1000 to a comp that is already not paying for itself through the juice are really going to see that money again, either through the roulette tables or cash poker?

It's OK to try and add money to get a game going. then take it away again, but as soon as you do that, all your players go to the other place down the road that have started adding money.

[relaedgc]

The problem you have is that you seem to think that a Casino is reliant upon poker tourism. It certainly helps, but it doesn't really provide a huge boost to your revenue in the long run, at least to the degree that you might think.

Somewhere like DTD -needed- to do it because that's how they make their income, a casino generates income from the table games and poker players as a rule will avoid tables, not denying you get a little overflow but it's not anything significant.

It's easy to say, "But it's a loss leader" but the reality is that it's more a loss. The casino will probably have a large pool of gamblers that are going to spend huge money irrespective of poker.

[George2Loose]

So why do so many run poker rooms?

Think that casinos in general look down on poker players as customers. It really pisses me off.

Even if a comp gets 20/30 people extra in per day they're gonna make more money from alcohol/food sales. And unfortunately there's plenty of degen poker players who will play table games.

[relaedgc]

Like I said, it helps.

Doesn't mean they feel a need to throw money at it. Poker players are very transactional and generally have little brand loyalty, so the only way to benefit is to constantly offer up added/additional/guaranteed prize money.

The business benefits just as much by focusing on providing a sufficient offering to the local customer base, and the loyal players.