Mayfair Casino witholding Ivey's winnings

[BangBang]

It's been said elsewhere (possibly on this thread, probably by Tikay) but I can't believe this is a sensible thing for Ivey to be doing even if he wins. You'd have thought Ivey's reputation would be worth enough to avoid these kind of schemes, because even if he wins, it still makes him look dodgy. Who wants to play cards with someone who exploits marked decks? Do you want Ivey gambling in your casino?

Ivey's a curious character (in lots of ways obviously). He's probably the most famous poker player in the world, but he acts as if he doesn't have a public image at all and is just an anonymous pro gambler/hustler getting it quietly. Occasionally he wakes up and tries to exploit his image (the Ivey League thing, Full Tilt endorsement), then he goes back to doing whatever he wants again.

Don't think it was me, I'm completely ambivelant to the outcome, but I do think it is quite an interesting cause celebre.

In these cases, the great mass of public opinion is always with the punter, of course, which is understandable, but, to me, illogical. We all want Gaming to be fair & just, surely?

Define fair, Tikay? Pit games by their very nature aren't mathematically "fair".

Something that springs to my mind here is this exploit-ability thing. So, we know for sure when we sit down to play a pit game that we are losing money. We are being exploited by the house, but we already know this, and that makes it ok (I'm not disputing this). With Blackjack, for example, there are proven systems which you can find very easily online and basically work out for yourself that reduce the house edge as much as possible. This is us fighting back against the casino, and this is fine because we're still losing to the casino, just not as much as before. They don't ban people for trying to reduce the house edge, they only get pissy when someone actually does, as in the case of Ivey. He didn't mark the cards or anything like that, the casino supplied him with marked cards and then proceeded to allow him to play several sessions with that deck. He has used an advantage that the house has given him. Tbh, it seems like there's been some negligence on the casino's part, and I don't think their case will hold up in court because they provided the means by which Ivey was able to swing the game in his favour.

Exactly....

Casino agreed to bend or break it's own rules so the onus of responsibility (or Vicarious responsibility) is the casinos not the players...

Whether PH lied about his reasons for making the requests he made or not, the casino accepted so the onus of responsibility is internal...

As I said before for it to be fair they should pay PH and admit internal negligence...

[GreekStein]

Thoughts on iveys net worth?

He's obv been getting the lot year in year out at poker for a long time.

He was getting huge payments from FTP (like $920k/month) for years.

He has an extremely extravagant lifestyle so a ton of $$$ have disappeared that way.

Has he made any investments?

He divorced not so long ago which must have been a massive kick in the financial goolies.

His gambling stories are only documented to a point - we've no idea how much he's lost (if at all given all these edge sorting things) in the pit.

In short, I've absolutely no idea.

What would be your guess Pads?

[pleno1]

About 350

[pleno1]

I think around 35.0 million seriously though so wasn't really trolling.

[MANTIS01]

When I read the TFT thread posters can get a bit of stick if they just put up straightforward fancies.

However, bets are well received if people have info the bookies haven't considered. This is classed as a good bet!

[SuuPRlim]

I think around 35.0 million seriously though so wasn't really trolling.

Would take the unders for my net at 1.1

[GreekStein]

I think around 35.0 million seriously though so wasn't really trolling.

Would take the unders for my net at 1.1

+1

Everyone, just everyone has less money than you think.

[MANTIS01]

I would wager Tikay has more money than we think

[pleno1]

the lawsuit is 1/3 of 35m though, if people dont think ivey should persue because of his image are the people thinking he has less than 35m then that doesnt make sense to me

[simonnatur]

Seems to make sense to me that he was recruited/used as the perfect front man for an edge sorting team due to his well known degen tendencies. The fact that $x milli is in play in the courtroom doesn't mean it's his own cash

BTW anyone been following the Privateworld threads on 2+2 in NVG?, Implied there that he hasn't got assets worth seizing or the US Govt would be on his case

[SuuPRlim]

Yeh, Ivey was defo not playing his own money here, and prolly not in borgata either but then IDK anything about that.

I got told who it was fronting the cash in this spot, actually fairly obvious when you think about it...

[Marky147]

Yeh, Ivey was defo not playing his own money here, and prolly not in borgata either but then IDK anything about that.

I got told who it was fronting the cash in this spot, actually fairly obvious when you think about it...

Tikay, obv

[redarmi]

Yeh, Ivey was defo not playing his own money here, and prolly not in borgata either but then IDK anything about that.

I got told who it was fronting the cash in this spot, actually fairly obvious when you think about it...

Putting two and two together and possibly getting five but Ivey is cloesly connected to another famous gambler already mentioned in this thread and has fronted for him in the past.  Possible connection here?

[Royal Flush]

More likely the guys he's been bailing out of jail I would think.

[GreekStein]

the lawsuit is 1/3 of 35m though, if people dont think ivey should persue because of his image are the people thinking he has less than 35m then that doesnt make sense to me

Ahhh i thought you meant it was 350mil. I'd take over on 35 too.