April Jones

[the sicilian]

ffs, she wasn't out unspervised, like you're making out. She was playing with friends. Reports I have read tonight, say that her friends told her not to go in the car, she said it's ok, she knows him. The guy arrested is well known in the area. And has two children living on the same estate. Which kinda kills you're argument Deano.

Lol now other kids get to look after the kid...? Supervised means by an adult not another 5  year old...

So ur 5 and another kid tells you not to do something so you obey... If an adults there the snatch isn't attempted and the kid might do as it's told....

However the other question which is quite likely is was this planned and a opportunity being waited on...? This obv would mean it was just a matter of time.... Although the dude has five or six kids? Two at the same school?  Isn't it unusual for this type to be a paedo..is their history of him interfering with his own? Which would be logical..obv way more to this than reported..but my general point is a 5 year old should not be allowed out without an adult that time of night

Huge sigh at this post. What you are saying about an adult should be there is just ridiculous.

Doubt I'm gonna meet you for lunch this week if you carry on like this.

Vinny turning down food?

Shit just got real.

Worst bluff his pulled all year and that's saying something

[celtic]

ffs, she wasn't out unspervised, like you're making out. She was playing with friends. Reports I have read tonight, say that her friends told her not to go in the car, she said it's ok, she knows him. The guy arrested is well known in the area. And has two children living on the same estate. Which kinda kills you're argument Deano.

Lol now other kids get to look after the kid...? Supervised means by an adult not another 5  year old...

So ur 5 and another kid tells you not to do something so you obey... If an adults there the snatch isn't attempted and the kid might do as it's told....

However the other question which is quite likely is was this planned and a opportunity being waited on...? This obv would mean it was just a matter of time.... Although the dude has five or six kids? Two at the same school?  Isn't it unusual for this type to be a paedo..is their history of him interfering with his own? Which would be logical..obv way more to this than reported..but my general point is a 5 year old should not be allowed out without an adult that time of night

Huge sigh at this post. What you are saying about an adult should be there is just ridiculous.

Doubt I'm gonna meet you for lunch this week if you carry on like this.

Dunno what's so ridic about 5 year olds being supervised in the dark..and according to the meteorological society sunset last Monday in that area was 18.49...

does that mean it was dark?

Pretty much ... No sun usually = pretty dark

SO we have gone from pitch black to pretty dark. Not bad.

[Dewi_cool]

It's not dark at 7pm

[The Camel]

When I was a kid, I used to spend 2 weeks every summer holiday at my Nan's.

Behind her house there was a huge park where the local kids played. It was surrounded on three sides by roads and one side by a row of terrace houses.

I used to play football outside until the very last of the daylight disappeared. No adults around, although various parents checked up on us at various times.

I certainly wasn't neglected.

[the sicilian]

Oh ffs guys...so ur all happy for your 5 old to be out of your sight  without another  adult that time of dusk/night/semi darkness/light of the moon ? Cmon ur kidding right? Are you fucking mental.. It comes down to common sense more than anything... Apart from the oh it's such a rare occurrence it couldn't possibly happen to my kid mentality..what about wandering off wandering in the road etc. Ur. 5 olds have massive self discipline and are not at all curious..

My toddler got seperated from me in a clothes shop for about 30 seconds once I was nearly sick...

[celtic]

Oh ffs guys...so ur all happy for your 5 old to be out of your sight  without another  adult that time of dusk/night/semi darkness/light of the moon ? Cmon ur kidding right? Are you fucking mental.. It comes down to common sense more than anything... Apart from the oh it's such a rare occurrence it couldn't possibly happen to my kid mentality..what about wandering off wandering in the road etc. Ur. 5 olds have massive self discipline and are not at all curious..

My toddler got seperated from me in a clothes shop for about 30 seconds once I was nearly sick...

If I was a toddler, and you were my dad, I'd disappear too, if you were buying of those ridic t-shirts you wear

You have said above that it comes down to common sense. Common sense sometimes allows for a 5 year old to be allowed out to play with friends. Unsupervised.

[Dewi_cool]

You'r obviously far too protective then, you will get used to it.

[the sicilian]

When I was a kid, I used to spend 2 weeks every summer holiday at my Nan's.

Behind her house there was a huge park where the local kids played. It was surrounded on three sides by roads and one side by a row of terrace houses.

I used to play football outside until the very last of the daylight disappeared. No adults around, although various parents checked up on us at various times.

I certainly wasn't neglected.

A: were u five
B: because nothing happened that makes it ok?
C: do you think there was more or less chance of something happening in the late 19th century

[kukushkin88]

So you let a 5 year old roam the streets at night without the supervision of an adult?  

I don't know were the camel lives but were I am it was pitch black at 6:30 last week.

I'm also hearing reports this evening that within a 5 mile radius of my house there have been 3 reported abductions of kids.  Ages unconfirmed but the police are apparently aware of the situation, so not as uncommon as some in this thread would have us believe.  

He wouldn't be "roaming the streets".

He would be playing in area he knows well and with kids he knows.

And a great big WTF to the bolded bit.

What an extraodinary thing to write down. Every time a child is abducted in this country it is quite understandably the lead story on national news for weeks. Three kids within 5 miles of your house? A very weird and disturbing claim.

[the sicilian]

You'r obviously far too protective then, you will get used to it.

Rather that than being on telly pleading for some nonce to bring my kid back

[The Camel]

Meh.

I played on the streets and in the park unsupervised from the age of 5 or 6.

I certainly wasn't neglected by my parents! (If anything I was over protected)

My boy can and does play outside with his friends.

Giving kids freedom letting them reach their boundaries is part of them growing up imo.

It's a gamble which you're willing to take and that's your prerogative. How ever slight the odds shit can happen and me personally I wouldn't gamble like that with my kids.

If you think that's a gamble, how do you let your kids go to school?

A lot more chance of being "interfered with" by a paedo at school than being snatched off the street imo.

The reason these stories get such huge publicity is they are so rare.

But the media saturation and scare stories make people think they are much more common than they actually are.

Children are loads more likely to be abused, harmed or murdered by family members than strangers.

My kids walk to school now, my son is 12 and my daughter 16. Did I let them walk to school when they were 5 of course I fucking didn't. Did I let them play 200yds from my house at 5 years old at 19:00 in October of course I fucking didn't. Why not? Because I want my kids to be safe. Would I have let them out at 5 years old with other children night or day? Of course I fucking wouldn't. Why not? Because I want my children to be safe.

I am not an over protective parent, I'm just there for them when they need it most.

If a responsible adult was watching over those children April would not have been taken. I agree it's a very rare occurrence but it still happens. A parent has responsibilities in insuring harm doesn't come to their children, it shouldn't be left to other children.

Yes and most of these types of crime are carried out by people known to them but if a responsible adult was there it wouldn't have happened.

There are risks everyday which we have to take, like crossing the road, riding a bike, climbing trees and these are acceptable because we try to teach our kids the best way to handle these situations. I taught both my kids to ride their bikes I didn't just leave them to it, I guided them supported them, held them, until they could stay upright on their own. With my guidance they did it safely.

I didn't want to get involved in this argument but felt compelled too. As I said earlier my wife has worked with children for the last 10 years a specialist counsellor. These stories are not as uncommon as you would like to think. She doesn't tell me the half it because of confidentiality but she needs support after the most horrendous cases.

Enough from me now. Each to their own.

LOL. I didn't mean my 5 yearold travelled to school alone.

I meant he is more likely to be put in danger in school by a "trusted" person than snatched off the street.

[the sicilian]

So you let a 5 year old roam the streets at night without the supervision of an adult?  

I don't know were the camel lives but were I am it was pitch black at 6:30 last week.

I'm also hearing reports this evening that within a 5 mile radius of my house there have been 3 reported abductions of kids.  Ages unconfirmed but the police are apparently aware of the situation, so not as uncommon as some in this thread would have us believe.  

He wouldn't be "roaming the streets".

He would be playing in area he knows well and with kids he knows.

And a great big WTF to the bolded bit.

What an extraodinary thing to write down. Every time a child is abducted in this country it is quite understandably the lead story on national news for weeks. Three kids within 5 miles of your house? A very weird and disturbing claim.

In my area there was an attempted abduction of a 9 year old from a school playground..think u don't really hear about attempts

[The Camel]

When I was a kid, I used to spend 2 weeks every summer holiday at my Nan's.

Behind her house there was a huge park where the local kids played. It was surrounded on three sides by roads and one side by a row of terrace houses.

I used to play football outside until the very last of the daylight disappeared. No adults around, although various parents checked up on us at various times.

I certainly wasn't neglected.

A: were u five
B: because nothing happened that makes it ok?
C: do you think there was more or less chance of something happening in the late 19th century

I think the first time I stayed there I was four. There was a group of maybe 15-20 kids aged from 4 to 12 who used to play together.

Yes, I think it was fine. In fact one the happiest memories of my childhood.

I'm not as old as Karabiner you know.

[celtic]

So you let a 5 year old roam the streets at night without the supervision of an adult?  

I don't know were the camel lives but were I am it was pitch black at 6:30 last week.

I'm also hearing reports this evening that within a 5 mile radius of my house there have been 3 reported abductions of kids.  Ages unconfirmed but the police are apparently aware of the situation, so not as uncommon as some in this thread would have us believe.  

He wouldn't be "roaming the streets".

He would be playing in area he knows well and with kids he knows.

And a great big WTF to the bolded bit.

What an extraodinary thing to write down. Every time a child is abducted in this country it is quite understandably the lead story on national news for weeks. Three kids within 5 miles of your house? A very weird and disturbing claim.

In my area there was an attempted abduction of a 9 year old from a school playground..think u don't really hear about attempts

link?

[the sicilian]

Oh ffs guys...so ur all happy for your 5 old to be out of your sight  without another  adult that time of dusk/night/semi darkness/light of the moon ? Cmon ur kidding right? Are you fucking mental.. It comes down to common sense more than anything... Apart from the oh it's such a rare occurrence it couldn't possibly happen to my kid mentality..what about wandering off wandering in the road etc. Ur. 5 olds have massive self discipline and are not at all curious..

My toddler got seperated from me in a clothes shop for about 30 seconds once I was nearly sick...

If I was a toddler, and you were my dad, I'd disappear too, if you were buying of those ridic t-shirts you wear

You have said above that it comes down to common sense. Common sense sometimes allows for a 5 year old to be allowed out to play with friends. Unsupervised.

Lol I'm a lot less spangly these days..unfortunately ur not less hoopy... How u can criticise anyone's dress sense is beyond me..the times a hobo has offered you change is unreal

As for my 5 year old.. I can honestly say never...