April Jones

[the sicilian]

Can't believe ur all missing the point.. Point in question is would u let ur 5 year old child out without an adult in the near dark... Yes or no... Forget getting snatched etc...

In some situations, I think it is acceptable.

It's an opinion... It's wrong but it's still an opinion... Some of you seem to think that a 5 year is a capable self sustaining being... It's not that's why your there to safeguard it from whatever danger or situation may befall it because by definition it cannot look free itself.. Can't even believe I'm having this conversation.. Just cos it walks and doesnt piss itself anymore you think it will be just fine looking after itself... U seem to make the same premise for a 5 year old as you do a 10 year old when the void is epic

[The Camel]

Can't believe ur all missing the point.. Point in question is would u let ur 5 year old child out without an adult in the near dark... Yes or no... Forget getting snatched etc...

In some situations, I think it is acceptable.

It's an opinion... It's wrong but it's still an opinion... Some of you seem to think that a 5 year is a capable self sustaining being... It's not that's why your there to safeguard it from whatever danger or situation may befall it because by definition it cannot look free itself.. Can't even believe I'm having this conversation.. Just cos it walks and doesnt piss itself anymore you think it will be just fine looking after itself... U seem to make the same premise for a 5 year old as you do a 10 year old when the void is epic

Dean, would you let your 5 year old go round to a school friends to play?

[jakally]

Can't believe ur all missing the point.. Point in question is would u let ur 5 year old child out without an adult in the near dark... Yes or no... Forget getting snatched etc...

In some situations, I think it is acceptable.

Agree with this.
You can't blanket say you would never let your 5-y-o out of your sight when the sun goes in.
As a parent I reserve the right to use a bit of common sense.

[celtic]

Can't believe ur all missing the point.. Point in question is would u let ur 5 year old child out without an adult in the near dark... Yes or no... Forget getting snatched etc...

In some situations, I think it is acceptable.

It's an opinion... It's wrong but it's still an opinion... Some of you seem to think that a 5 year is a capable self sustaining being... It's not that's why your there to safeguard it from whatever danger or situation may befall it because by definition it cannot look free itself.. Can't even believe I'm having this conversation.. Just cos it walks and doesnt piss itself anymore you think it will be just fine looking after itself... U seem to make the same premise for a 5 year old as you do a 10 year old when the void is epic

Where I used to live, there were 5 or 6 kids that used to play in the street, almost every night Ages ranged from 4-9. They weren't constantly supervised. Is that really that wrong?

[the sicilian]

As long as I was comfortable with the parents and I was happy they would be adequately supervised.. And yes before u say I know there's always a possibility  someone there could interfere with them... But I want to get away from the paedo situation.. The only point I'm making is I don't think a child that age should be unsupervised..full stop

[the sicilian]

Massive difference between a 4 and 9 year old... U can't give the same freedom to each

[bobAlike]

Massive difference between a 4 and 9 year old... U can't give the same freedom to each

Yes but the 9 yo can look after the 5yo lol

[the sicilian]

Can't believe ur all missing the point.. Point in question is would u let ur 5 year old child out without an adult in the near dark... Yes or no... Forget getting snatched etc...

In some situations, I think it is acceptable.

Agree with this.
You can't blanket say you would never let your 5-y-o out of your sight when the sun goes in.
As a parent I reserve the right to use a bit of common sense.

You would seriously leave ur 5 old unsupervised after dark ?

[Doobs]

I don't get the fuss about the dark? Are child abductors vampires?

I remember the Milly Dowler case. She was 13 and walking home after school in the afternoon sunshine yet got snatched clean off the street by Levi Bellfield. How many actual cases are there where toddlers have been snatched off the street at 7pm in small Welsh towns? So reckon governing your life to watch out for the bogeyman 24/7 is unrealistic. In fact in the April Jones case the victim wasn't snatched at all but was seemingly coerced into the car by somebody she knew. She could have been coerced into that car at any time of the day on any given day.

Not if she was being supervised by one of her parents.

Your kids got no legs?

Meaning?

Well unless they are on a lead, then they are going to get out of your sight at times.  They just do.  

[the sicilian]

It's a sunny day we take little johnny to the park.. His 5... Take him to where the swings And slides are..it's sunny loads of people around loads of kids same age and older... Do we turn little johnny loose and fuck off to the cafe for half an hour ?

[bobAlike]

I don't get the fuss about the dark? Are child abductors vampires?

I remember the Milly Dowler case. She was 13 and walking home after school in the afternoon sunshine yet got snatched clean off the street by Levi Bellfield. How many actual cases are there where toddlers have been snatched off the street at 7pm in small Welsh towns? So reckon governing your life to watch out for the bogeyman 24/7 is unrealistic. In fact in the April Jones case the victim wasn't snatched at all but was seemingly coerced into the car by somebody she knew. She could have been coerced into that car at any time of the day on any given day.

Not if she was being supervised by one of her parents.

Your kids got no legs?

Meaning?

Well unless they are on a lead, then they are going to get out of your sight at times.  They just do.  

Yes kids do sometimes get get out of our site but negligently leaving them unsupervised is a different story. Just to clarify something this is about leaving a 5 yo unattended. 5 yo don't know what's good or bad for them.

[bobAlike]

I'm off to bed. Good luck Deano. We should open a crèche lol.

[the sicilian]

I'm off to bed. Good luck Deano. We should open a crèche lol.

Dear lord some of these have kids as well

[MANTIS01]

When I was at Hampton Court the other day in walked Henry VIII and Katherine of Aragon in full medieval costume. Was quite impressive sight and a few of us got out cameras. King Henry announced no photos could be taken because children were present. That rule of total lockdown certainly meant no indecent pictures of children could be taken and they were completely safe. Yet everyone was like meh Henry are you serious?

[The Camel]

I don't get the fuss about the dark? Are child abductors vampires?

I remember the Milly Dowler case. She was 13 and walking home after school in the afternoon sunshine yet got snatched clean off the street by Levi Bellfield. How many actual cases are there where toddlers have been snatched off the street at 7pm in small Welsh towns? So reckon governing your life to watch out for the bogeyman 24/7 is unrealistic. In fact in the April Jones case the victim wasn't snatched at all but was seemingly coerced into the car by somebody she knew. She could have been coerced into that car at any time of the day on any given day.

Not if she was being supervised by one of her parents.

Your kids got no legs?

Meaning?

Well unless they are on a lead, then they are going to get out of your sight at times.  They just do.  

Doobs wins the thread.

What the McCann's did was a lot more questionable that what April Jones parents did.

Not because it's anything less than a ten million to one shot someone would break into their hotel room and steeal their child, but because if Maddie or one of the twins woke up and found no mummy or daddy about, they would naturally become extremely distressed.

It is impractical and unrealistic to say you'd supervise a 5 year old every minute they were outside the house. Kids do stuff. They explore and investigate. And run around.

I think if I lived in a city I'd be slightly less relaxed about Jake playing alone outside, but as it is, I'm happy.