April Jones

[jakally]

Can't believe ur all missing the point.. Point in question is would u let ur 5 year old child out without an adult in the near dark... Yes or no... Forget getting snatched etc...

In some situations, I think it is acceptable.

Agree with this.
You can't blanket say you would never let your 5-y-o out of your sight when the sun goes in.
As a parent I reserve the right to use a bit of common sense.

You would seriously leave ur 5 old unsupervised after dark ?

I live in a cul-de-sac.
There are a group of kids who play together, on the road in front of our houses.
I have let my kids play out in the group, when the light is fading, from when they were as young as 5, without watching them every minute.

Some of the kids were a bit older (8 - 9).
I hadn't got a problem with this, and didn't feel it was bad parenting.

[the sicilian]

In my park example would anyone leave there kid ?

[celtic]

Lack of common sense ITT, to many generalisations.

[MANTIS01]

Also remember James Bulger out shopping with his mum and Ben Needham playing in grandparents house in Kos. Neither toddler was out in the dark unsupervised but in the care of responsible adults in the daytime. So in reality very difficult to prevent a one in a million happening.

[The Camel]

When I was at Hampton Court the other day in walked Henry VIII and Katherine of Aragon in full medieval costume. Was quite impressive sight and a few of us got out cameras. King Henry announced no photos could be taken because children were present. That rule of total lockdown certainly meant no indecent pictures of children could be taken and they were completely safe. Yet everyone was like meh Henry are you serious?

We have to sign permission forms every term to allow teachers to take pictures of the children during classtime.

Bit ridiculous imo

[celtic]

When I was at Hampton Court the other day in walked Henry VIII and Katherine of Aragon in full medieval costume. Was quite impressive sight and a few of us got out cameras. King Henry announced no photos could be taken because children were present. That rule of total lockdown certainly meant no indecent pictures of children could be taken and they were completely safe. Yet everyone was like meh Henry are you serious?

We have to sign permission forms every term to allow teachers to take pictures of the children during classtime.

Bit ridiculous imo

Think Dean was blocked from taking pictures of kids in a swimming pool.

[the sicilian]

Lack of common sense ITT, to many generalisations.

Wots the difference between park playground surrounded by kids and you 50 foot away in the cafe having a cup of tea and fifty foot from your house surrounded by kids and you inside having a cup of tea ?

[the sicilian]

When I was at Hampton Court the other day in walked Henry VIII and Katherine of Aragon in full medieval costume. Was quite impressive sight and a few of us got out cameras. King Henry announced no photos could be taken because children were present. That rule of total lockdown certainly meant no indecent pictures of children could be taken and they were completely safe. Yet everyone was like meh Henry are you serious?

We have to sign permission forms every term to allow teachers to take pictures of the children during classtime.

Bit ridiculous imo

This is a different subject entirely and I agree is ridic... My eldest was playing the violin in a multi school concert...all the kids were in full uniform ... I was asked not to video it...ur fucking kidding right? Jeez...

[the sicilian]

When I was at Hampton Court the other day in walked Henry VIII and Katherine of Aragon in full medieval costume. Was quite impressive sight and a few of us got out cameras. King Henry announced no photos could be taken because children were present. That rule of total lockdown certainly meant no indecent pictures of children could be taken and they were completely safe. Yet everyone was like meh Henry are you serious?

We have to sign permission forms every term to allow teachers to take pictures of the children during classtime.

Bit ridiculous imo

Think Dean was blocked from taking pictures of kids in a swimming pool.

Changing rooms actually

[The Camel]

When I was at Hampton Court the other day in walked Henry VIII and Katherine of Aragon in full medieval costume. Was quite impressive sight and a few of us got out cameras. King Henry announced no photos could be taken because children were present. That rule of total lockdown certainly meant no indecent pictures of children could be taken and they were completely safe. Yet everyone was like meh Henry are you serious?

We have to sign permission forms every term to allow teachers to take pictures of the children during classtime.

Bit ridiculous imo

Think Dean was blocked from taking pictures of kids in a swimming pool.

It's Daily Mail Britain.

Sledgehammer to break a hazelnut.

One out of 10,000 people taking pictures at the swimming pool might be doing it for dodgy purposes, but the 9,999 are denied innocent pleasure of taking a photo of their kid having fun.

We looked at 4 different primary schools before deciding which one to send Jake. Not one of them had a single male member of staff. Very sad, but understandable. The climate in Britain these days is such, that a man wanting to teach 6 year olds is immediately viewed with suspicion.

[MANTIS01]

When I was at Hampton Court the other day in walked Henry VIII and Katherine of Aragon in full medieval costume. Was quite impressive sight and a few of us got out cameras. King Henry announced no photos could be taken because children were present. That rule of total lockdown certainly meant no indecent pictures of children could be taken and they were completely safe. Yet everyone was like meh Henry are you serious?

We have to sign permission forms every term to allow teachers to take pictures of the children during classtime.

Bit ridiculous imo

This is a different subject entirely and I agree is ridic... My eldest was playing the violin in a multi school concert...all the kids were in full uniform ... I was asked not to video it...ur fucking kidding right? Jeez...

But it does mean the kids are completely safe. The same way supervising them 24/7 means they are completely safe. It's all about guarding against that one in a million chance right?

[the sicilian]

When I was at Hampton Court the other day in walked Henry VIII and Katherine of Aragon in full medieval costume. Was quite impressive sight and a few of us got out cameras. King Henry announced no photos could be taken because children were present. That rule of total lockdown certainly meant no indecent pictures of children could be taken and they were completely safe. Yet everyone was like meh Henry are you serious?

We have to sign permission forms every term to allow teachers to take pictures of the children during classtime.

Bit ridiculous imo

This is a different subject entirely and I agree is ridic... My eldest was playing the violin in a multi school concert...all the kids were in full uniform ... I was asked not to video it...ur fucking kidding right? Jeez...

But it does mean the kids are completely safe. The same way supervising them 24/7 means they are completely safe. It's all about guarding against that one in a million chance right?

Mantis how can you compare the twonthere not even in the same universe.... Not being able to film your daughter in a violin recital is not the same as supervising your five year old

[MANTIS01]

When I was at Hampton Court the other day in walked Henry VIII and Katherine of Aragon in full medieval costume. Was quite impressive sight and a few of us got out cameras. King Henry announced no photos could be taken because children were present. That rule of total lockdown certainly meant no indecent pictures of children could be taken and they were completely safe. Yet everyone was like meh Henry are you serious?

We have to sign permission forms every term to allow teachers to take pictures of the children during classtime.

Bit ridiculous imo

This is a different subject entirely and I agree is ridic... My eldest was playing the violin in a multi school concert...all the kids were in full uniform ... I was asked not to video it...ur fucking kidding right? Jeez...

But it does mean the kids are completely safe. The same way supervising them 24/7 means they are completely safe. It's all about guarding against that one in a million chance right?

Mantis how can you compare the twonthere not even in the same universe.... Not being able to film your daughter in a violin recital is not the same as supervising your five year old

It is the same mentality of whether you want to allow a tiny % of bad people to govern how you live.

If I lived in a small welsh town population 2k the thought of paedos on the loose wouldn't govern how I lived and how I brought up my kids. I would educate and supervise where possible but perhaps on one occasion I might think my daughter playing out the front with a group was ok. I would think the risk of abduction is very slight just like the risk of people taking indecent photos at Hampton Court is very slight. Hence I think it is ok to allow both.

[the sicilian]

Nope  over zealous institutional scare mongering is not the same as how an individual chooses to bring up their child...please get away from the paedo aspect and concentrate on dealing with the point a 5 year old should not be unsupervised...

[LonOhRay]

Agree with both sides but ultimately it comes down to the age ... FIVE years old, not yet at school.

When I heard the age my first thought was wtf they out for at anytime let alone 7 ...

I have five nieces and nephews between the ages of 3 and 9 and next door neighbours have three kids 4 - 9 who are always jumping over the fence to play in our garden. Cannot comprehend any of the 5/6 year olds being outside of the house without mum/dad/guardian/responsible 16+ year old playing with them.

This does change when the "outside" is in a quiet cul-de-sac with no traffic or other immediate danger though, but again if darkness is approaching they'd all have had dinner and be getting baths ready for bed.



Basically the point is she/them whoever are five years old, if a paedo/animal wants to kidnap a child they can quite easily abduct a 10 year old but we can all agree a 10 year old is fine to be kicking a football/riding his/her bike at the local park with the other children. It isn't the risk of them being snatched its them being five and unsafe being out unsupervised.

At what age do you draw the line to let kids play out and how far are boundaries set is the question. - If you trust the child's friends parents then of course can play at Billy's house at 5 but the adults arrange it and not the children and if Billy's house is outside of the cul de sac then they are dropped off and picked up.

Don't think it's my upbringing stall makes me think 5 yo is too young, I was always late in/moving my watch 10 mins slow or playing out half hour after it was dark, mum hated it dad would say let them have their fun not harming anyone, was encouraged to do the dangerous things - never had stabilisers on bike - is a picture of me at 7 years old 20m up a tree holding on with one arm - to if he hits you hit him twice as hard etc etc, far from Mollycoddled yet still loved immensely.



Might be mine and sicilian's perception of five year olds being so small, nieve and vulnerable compared to the view of those of the other view point.

Agree to disagree another similar point - at what age should children have mobile phones and using them when playing out. All a matter of opinion and parents best judge of their own kids, maturity and responsibility varies so greatly at all ages.



Rambled on iPad ridic tired so probably repeated and misspellings but 5 year olds too young to be playing outside unsupervised IMO


Lol cliffs:
5 year olds I know too young to be out
5 yo and 10 yo similar risk of abduction but ev1 agree 10yo fine to go play at park
Parents know their children best, some are less vulnerable to dangers outside at younger age than others
Not mollycoddled as a child but still 0 chance of being out unsupervised at age of 5