Through the streets vs JP in St.Kitts

[Eso Kral]

In before "loads of thin in title"

Ok this hand has been bugging me so would appreciate thoughts on all aspects of play through the hand including thought on Villains line except pre pls as yes it should be a fold pre but we didnt fly all the way to the caribbean to fold suited cards obv 

3rd hand into day2 so no reads but tough table with JP, Wadey, Pete Haslam, Elwood to name a few

Blinds 250/500/50
Stacks  JP 40900
Us 55000

Action folds to us in the HJ and we open  to 1050 with btn calling as does JP from the BB

Flop      (3850)

JP checks, we bet 1800 and after the btn folds JP calls.

Turn     (7450)

JP chks, we 3950    ok so far?

[outragous76]

Meh

Im checking turn vs JP as I like my hand, some of his "got there" range got there. He isnt taking us for a 5, but can rep it, so I let him bluff river.

Vs very competant villains, I have no problem is losing some percieved value with a hand im not likely folding, and Im happy to call down every river in the deck

[TL900]

Meh

Im checking turn vs JP

what? 100% bet the turn. We get value from pairs/draws/pair+SD's

[outragous76]

Meh

Im checking turn vs JP

what? 100% bet the turn. We get value from pairs/draws/pair+SD's

pretty sure i gave my reasoning, you arent getting any value when he sticks it in your eye on the tricky river

[Doobs]

Is clearly fine so far.  If we can't bet trips on the turn what are we betting

[youthnkzR]

Meh

Im checking turn vs JP

what? 100% bet the turn. We get value from pairs/draws/pair+SD's

Agree with TL, don't think checking a an option.

[PaintingByNumbers]

He isnt taking us for a 5

Im checking turn vs JP

Eh?

[pleno1]

ffs he leads, we casnt check

[outragous76]

can people quote my entire post please - id didnt give the explanation so you can mis-quote and question me

please feel free to tell me how happy people are barelling the river and calling off the crai

We are not playing a hand vs population tendancies (to coin the phrase being punting around) - we are playing vs an absolute sicko who is going to make us wish we were outside in the sun on a tricky river, Im happy playing a smaller pot and trading my image later

[outragous76]

ffs he leads, we casnt check

sure does

[pleno1]

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yes bet turn

[Pugwashed]

can people quote my entire post please - id didnt give the explanation so you can mis-quote and question me

please feel free to tell me how happy people are barelling the river and calling off the crai

We are not playing a hand vs population tendancies (to coin the phrase being punting around) - we are playing vs an absolute sicko who is going to make us wish we were outside in the sun on a tricky river, Im happy playing a smaller pot and trading my image later

We are playing against someone good. We have pretty close to the absolute top our range. We can have bluffs / semi bluffs that we would be betting so we should also be betting our good hands. This is as far as thinking needs to go on the turn.

[outragous76]

can people quote my entire post please - id didnt give the explanation so you can mis-quote and question me

please feel free to tell me how happy people are barelling the river and calling off the crai

We are not playing a hand vs population tendancies (to coin the phrase being punting around) - we are playing vs an absolute sicko who is going to make us wish we were outside in the sun on a tricky river, Im happy playing a smaller pot and trading my image later

We are playing against someone good. We have pretty close to the absolute top our range. We can have bluffs / semi bluffs that we would be betting so we should also be betting our good hands. This is as far as thinking needs to go on the turn.

oh thanks, thank you

wp on the red text too vs this very good player

fancy answering my question?

[Pugwashed]

can people quote my entire post please - id didnt give the explanation so you can mis-quote and question me

please feel free to tell me how happy people are barelling the river and calling off the crai

We are not playing a hand vs population tendancies (to coin the phrase being punting around) - we are playing vs an absolute sicko who is going to make us wish we were outside in the sun on a tricky river, Im happy playing a smaller pot and trading my image later

We are playing against someone good. We have pretty close to the absolute top our range. We can have bluffs / semi bluffs that we would be betting so we should also be betting our good hands. This is as far as thinking needs to go on the turn.

oh thanks, thank you

fancy answering my question?

It depends on the river. On a blank river then bet/folding K5 seems stupidly exploitable so I would be bet/calling vs anyone good

[Pugwashed]

can people quote my entire post please - id didnt give the explanation so you can mis-quote and question me

please feel free to tell me how happy people are barelling the river and calling off the crai

We are not playing a hand vs population tendancies (to coin the phrase being punting around) - we are playing vs an absolute sicko who is going to make us wish we were outside in the sun on a tricky river, Im happy playing a smaller pot and trading my image later

We are playing against someone good. We have pretty close to the absolute top our range. We can have bluffs / semi bluffs that we would be betting so we should also be betting our good hands. This is as far as thinking needs to go on the turn.

wp on the red text too vs this very good player

U mad?

It's as simple as this. Vs someone good who I know little about I don't really see much option but to default to a GTO approach. That's all it is. I want to be bluffing / semibluffing sometimes so I have to be value betting to balance that. If I'm value betting and have no bluff range or bluffing and have no (or a too thin) value range then it makes it very easy for someone good to play against me so all I'm trying to do is make myself as tough to play against as possible.