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« on: January 16, 2013, 07:56:54 PM » |
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On the back of an argument with a mate, I am intrigued as to people's opinion on the following. I have promised I will just post the hand details with no embellishment or opinion from me, so here it is: Live Satellite to Big(gish) Tournament. A tournament that we wouldn't normally be rolled to play. 12 left, 10 seats guaranteed. We had a great table but it broke and we're new to this table. Blinds are 1500/3000/400 UTG 10k UTG+1 12k CO 28k HERO (Button) 80k SB 35k BB 85K Average is about 45k Folds to Hero on the button with   We open to 7.5k SB folds BB thinks then flat calls Flop is    BB leads for 10k We raise to 23k He insta-shoves We? |
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« Last Edit: January 16, 2013, 09:19:01 PM by ruud »
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outragous76
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2013, 08:10:37 PM » |
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well
1. we have the nuts
2. im not raising flop to fold
3. his peel range starts at 72o vs you
4. his shove range still starts at 72o
5. 50p
6. fold pre
(you probably can fold here, but just dont play it so terrible in the first place - go get a cuppa tea and wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii)
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« Last Edit: January 16, 2013, 08:13:56 PM by outragous76 »
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Honeybadger
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2013, 08:12:32 PM » |
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Fold preflop.
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NigDawG
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2013, 08:12:58 PM » |
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clear fold pre if the stacks are accurate
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2013, 08:29:54 PM » |
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Go and make a cup of tea, absoutely no need to get involved.
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Eso Kral
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2013, 08:31:50 PM » |
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clear fold pre if the stacks are accurate
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david3103
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2013, 08:50:30 PM » |
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It's BB in the hand with us? Playing 85k?
Fold pre and don't get involved postflop with someone who covers us without the stone cold nuts and no chance of being outdrawn.
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ruud
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2013, 08:55:38 PM » |
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Is killing me that I am still not allowed to offer an opinion on my own hand, but assuming we have played the hand as we have (whether this good or bad), what should we do NOW?
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Eso Kral
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2013, 09:06:37 PM » |
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Is killing me that I am still not allowed to offer an opinion on my own hand, but assuming we have played the hand as we have (whether this good or bad), what should we do NOW?
ok as played and for all the reasons in the op by you I now fold as you still cover at least 3 of the stacks left (as they are at ur table) but after folding would not tell anyone or post in pha  |
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Eso Kral
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2013, 09:07:29 PM » |
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Obv irl I call it off and lose to the spade otr
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2013, 09:12:17 PM » |
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if bb is out of hand we call iff bb is still in hand we fold
fold pre and go for smoke imho
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david3103
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2013, 10:42:54 PM » |
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Is killing me that I am still not allowed to offer an opinion on my own hand, but assuming we have played the hand as we have (whether this good or bad), what should we do NOW?
If he shows us  , or   call. Otherwise fold seems good. |
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2013, 01:17:44 AM » |
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I will never ever ever fold in this spot unless the tourney I'm sattin' into meant the absolute world to me.
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smashedagain
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2013, 09:52:22 AM » |
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It's fine everyone saying fold pre but the reality is that its folded round to your button, you are 6 handed, costing you nearly 7k/ round and its a live situation with nowhere to hide. You are expecting to pick up the blinds & antes cheap. Granted the 10k and 12k are on life support but I'm guessing in the last few orbits they have opened jammed and picked up the blinds and antes as no one has looked them up. Have to be honest and leave myself open to abuse and say that most people open this to take down the blinds. You ain't getting many better positions to be in.
You can't go off and make a cup of tea or just sit there folding irl, it just does not happen and you still have to lose 2 players. These sat bubbles can go on for ages were the short stacks are jamming once an orbit and everyone folds, correctly IMO.
Now that the bb has called and led out 10k on the flop I would not bother raising the 23k but instead just move all in. Put the decision back on him for his tourney. If he calls it off you are happy that you have got all your chips in with the nuts, if he folds you are happy to add 25% to your stack and put the bb in a position where on his button or SB he is tempted to take out the 10k n 12k.
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2013, 11:28:32 AM » |
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Obviously dont raise fold the flop when you have a straight.
Pre-flop is the mistake here, now you have to take your medicine. You could also consider just calling the flop 10k and then shipping the turn if it isn't a spade of a pair.
IDK what the fuck this guy is doing either lol
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