MTT bvb 20-25bb limping strategy

[cambridgealex]

Have been thinking about this a lot lately, was discussing this with a horse last night who does it a lot, I never really do it myself. Was wondering what you think of it as a strategy.

So folds round to us in the sb, we have 20-25bbs, and either limp/jam, limp/fold or open fold.

Limp/jamming range: all pairs, all Ax, K8+, Q9+, JT that sort of thing
Limp/folding range: K2s-K7s, Q5s-Q8s, 78o, J9o that sort of thing

[jackinbeat]

Been talking to my backer about this recently, well more strategies in BVB situations, interesting, no real input to give here, other than would you alter this depending on player/dynamics, and if so how?

[George2Loose]

Works fine unless the big blind has AK

[pleno1]

did you see my thread vs lfmagic alex? i thought about it considerably since and implement it frequently.

[Yian]

Limp/jamming range: all pairs, all Ax, K8+, Q9+, JT that sort of thing

If BB is active, I'd say raise/calling is better with the better side of your value range. I think limp/jamming should be used when looking to add fold equity to your hand. Small pairs and J10-KJ are probably good hands to limp/jam with, but not so much your 99+ and Ax hands.  

[cambridgealex]

Limp/jamming range: all pairs, all Ax, K8+, Q9+, JT that sort of thing

If BB is active, I'd say raise/calling is better with the better side of your value range. I think limp/jamming should be used when looking to add fold equity to your hand. Small pairs and J10-KJ are probably good hands to limp/jam with, but not so much your 99+ and Ax hands.  

but then you need a r/f range too for balance?

in b4 lol balance in mtts, but you do play vs the same regs a lot on the french sites and (not talking about french regs so much, but other english regs eg moorman, vamplew, etc always playing against them, a few blondes - doobs for eg, not to mention all of team eureka play on there)

guess if we're r/calling say 77+ and A9+ we'll need a similar combination of hands in our r/f range, like a selection of K2o, Q4o, J6o sort of hands?

[cambridgealex]

did you see my thread vs lfmagic alex? i thought about it considerably since and implement it frequently.

no i didn't, link?

[Yian]

Limp/jamming range: all pairs, all Ax, K8+, Q9+, JT that sort of thing

If BB is active, I'd say raise/calling is better with the better side of your value range. I think limp/jamming should be used when looking to add fold equity to your hand. Small pairs and J10-KJ are probably good hands to limp/jam with, but not so much your 99+ and Ax hands.  

but then you need a r/f range too for balance?

in b4 lol balance in mtts, but you do play vs the same regs a lot on the french sites and (not talking about french regs so much, but other english regs eg moorman, vamplew, etc always playing against them, a few blondes - doobs for eg, not to mention all of team eureka play on there)

guess if we're r/calling say 77+ and A9+ we'll need a similar combination of hands in our r/f range, like a selection of K2o, Q4o, J6o sort of hands?

Am i right in saying that even if you play against someone loads there still won't ever be a decent enough sample for sbvbb, to draw the player to your table first, then getting them directly next to you each time then playing enough hands that are folded round to the blinds surely isn't going to happen enough. Their decisions are probably going to be based roughly on how you play from other positions too. So i think balance shmalance in this spot.

Also, I prefer open folding more than raise/folding with this many bb. That's not to say there isn't a time and a place for the raise/fold for example like the K2o that doesn't play that well when our limp/shove gets called but still not open folding a K bvb. It can be opponent dependant as always too as to which of these lines you take.

[TheFruitbat]

Works fine unless the big blind has AK

+1 lol GG

[TL900]

ye limp/jamming ftw. Use it alot. Like it.

[muckthenuts]

Haven't read responses but basically yeah. Hands that are too strong to r/f but not good enough to r/c. If bb checks stabbing like nearly every flop. Balance your limping range too if you like.

[Doobs]

Surely limp jamming with the weakest part of your range is going to make life so sweet for your opponent in the BB? 

[youthnkzR]

Surely limp jamming with the weakest part of your range is going to make life so sweet for your opponent in the BB? 

[cambridgealex]

Surely limp jamming with the weakest part of your range is going to make life so sweet for your opponent in the BB? 

yeh this is my problem with it. and also I hate the thought of everytime we get a hand good enough to r/call say A7+ 55+ we're now limp jamming and letting him get away from all the hands he'd 3b jam if we'd just opened.

[Royal Flush]

Am i right in saying that even if you play against someone loads there still won't ever be a decent enough sample for sbvbb, to draw the player to your table first, then getting them directly next to you each time then playing enough hands that are folded round to the blinds surely isn't going to happen enough. Their decisions are probably going to be based roughly on how you play from other positions too. So i think balance shmalance in this spot.

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