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[Tal]

Sadly I wasn't such a pro with a guy who just came on to complain...Seriously though, we are suggesting betting almost 1000 points this week and after one day we are losing 65 points. One guy described the day as a debacle and one emailed "cheers I can pick 6 losers on my own". I am really keen not to do any business with people like that.

 He did have the opinion that he'd paid his £100 and he was entitled to be rude although he stated he didn't bother reading all that stuff at the beginning.

Gotta love capitalism!



The problem with ace king is it's only ace high, at the end of the day. Never wins. And jacks? Don't get me started! Three ways to play them. All wrong. Flop comes 248 and someone bets, you've got no idea where you are. Hopeless. I can never win in this casino. Especially when that dealer is on. I always put the six dog in my forecasts. It's only got one dog to bump into. What the bookies don't realise is man city have won their last six games at home, so they're a must-bet in the coupon. Gotta back Tony McCoy at Stratford. Loves it round there...

(I am available for alternative tipstering services at Gambling Cliché Emporium)

Best of luck for the rest of the week. The results will come.

[RickBFA]

 Hi,

Quick question for Neil/Joe,

I didn't get chance to register for the Goodwood package.

Are you allowing people to register instead of at £99.99 for 5 days, for a reduced fee of say £80 for the remaining 4 days?

I think you may have done something similar before?

Thanks

[horseplayer]

Sadly I wasn't such a pro with a guy who just came on to complain...Seriously though, we are suggesting betting almost 1000 points this week and after one day we are losing 65 points. One guy described the day as a debacle and one emailed "cheers I can pick 6 losers on my own". I am really keen not to do any business with people like that.

 He did have the opinion that he'd paid his £100 and he was entitled to be rude although he stated he didn't bother reading all that stuff at the beginning.

Some people must have toasty lives, if knocking a few quid on on the first day of Goodwood is 'a debacle'

In my limited experience you will get the same people moaning whether the service is free, £99.99 or £999.99.

Many years ago i helped a friend with a football tipping thing overseas (was free) and was showing a nice profit over a year or so. Still remember the abusive emails after a loser or even when it was a winner!

Must remember a proportion of your clients will be punting away at Beverley today, greyhounds, footie and whatever else. Regardless of whether they win with you they are probably still losing elsewhere.

The difference being when you charge at least you are getting something back monetary wise for the added hassle.

Out of interest how many members have signed up this week? Was quite surprised how quickly some of the prices were going especially early on

Thanks

[Kmac84]

Sadly I wasn't such a pro with a guy who just came on to complain...Seriously though, we are suggesting betting almost 1000 points this week and after one day we are losing 65 points. One guy described the day as a debacle and one emailed "cheers I can pick 6 losers on my own". I am really keen not to do any business with people like that.

 He did have the opinion that he'd paid his £100 and he was entitled to be rude although he stated he didn't bother reading all that stuff at the beginning.

Send him his money back and then we can laugh at the end of the week.  I know I had a moan about a World Cup bet but even not had the benefit of all your winners I feel as if I have learned something from the way you deconstruct a race.  I'd be happy to invest for an education like that alone. 

Imagine a BlackBelt version of this, it would be like a wet dream for punters.

[Bad Beat]

 Hi Rick,

 At Cheltenham we let people pay £99.99 for the week or £30 a day. Quite a few paid £30 for each of the four days. At Liverpool we charged £75 for three days or you could just buy the Grand National day for £40 which lots of people did.

 We tried a "sampler" day for £20 at Royal Ascot and then if you decided after that Tuesday you wanted the rest of the week you still had to pay £99.99 so you paif £119.99 in total and those who leapt right in had a slight "discount".

 One thing occurred to us though.

 As with all winning gamblers a large sample size is better for us than a small one if we wish to demonstrate how good we are. If you want to bet me whether I'll win tomorrow I will take you on at evens, but if you want to bet me whether I'll win this year then I'll be much happier to take the bet. We found with the sampler that the Tuesday was our worse day of the week (sod's law) and even though we had a really good Ascot we lost a whole load of people who were thinking of trying us out for very little gain. Only two sampler clients paid for the rest of the week and I guess most of the others are lost to us as customers.

 To be honest with you I think it is probably better if we don't have any really small clients...don't get me wrong I think it is massively important that people gamble within their bankroll and I'm certain that all of our customers gamble higher stakes than the average guy in the bookies, plus I would never belittle anyone for betting "small". I have far more respect for the guy that grinds the £1/£2 every night than the bloke who blasts in the £5/£10 with his case money and is too skint to play now. I do think that the messages I have received tonight from people steaming and being pissed off because we lost 65 points today, when I've said again and again that we'll be betting 25 points a race and up to 1000 in the week, suggests to me that these people are betting way out of their comfort zone.

 Every time we discount or make the service more available for a smallish price and for a small amount of races we increase the amount of shit we have to deal with. I was up at 5am and I lost today and I'm dealing with people who are supposed to have lost 6% of what they were prepared to lose this week and the TV is showing people dying all around the world and I could do without them getting irate.

 On top of all of that there are admin and transaction costs which make selling the week in one go a better things for us.

 Having said all that we may do something from Wednesday, my time tonight has been wasted on other things instead of talking to Joe about that.

[Bad Beat]

...you had to go and mention Black Belt...now I do need a drink.

[Kmac84]

...you had to go and mention Black Belt...now I do need a drink.

I liked the concept.  Have a stiff one, if we win over the week I'll send you a bottle. 

[Bad Beat]

 Am definitely hoping we will, felt like we didn't do much wrong today. Think we were 5th and 6th in the last and we were 1.03 to win the 1st at the furlong pole. 65 points is a flesh would, any winner we back will win about 65 points so we are a winner down.

[RickBFA]

Hi Rick,

 At Cheltenham we let people pay £99.99 for the week or £30 a day. Quite a few paid £30 for each of the four days. At Liverpool we charged £75 for three days or you could just buy the Grand National day for £40 which lots of people did.

 We tried a "sampler" day for £20 at Royal Ascot and then if you decided after that Tuesday you wanted the rest of the week you still had to pay £99.99 so you paif £119.99 in total and those who leapt right in had a slight "discount".

 One thing occurred to us though.

 As with all winning gamblers a large sample size is better for us than a small one if we wish to demonstrate how good we are. If you want to bet me whether I'll win tomorrow I will take you on at evens, but if you want to bet me whether I'll win this year then I'll be much happier to take the bet. We found with the sampler that the Tuesday was our worse day of the week (sod's law) and even though we had a really good Ascot we lost a whole load of people who were thinking of trying us out for very little gain. Only two sampler clients paid for the rest of the week and I guess most of the others are lost to us as customers.

 To be honest with you I think it is probably better if we don't have any really small clients...don't get me wrong I think it is massively important that people gamble within their bankroll and I'm certain that all of our customers gamble higher stakes than the average guy in the bookies, plus I would never belittle anyone for betting "small". I have far more respect for the guy that grinds the £1/£2 every night than the bloke who blasts in the £5/£10 with his case money and is too skint to play now. I do think that the messages I have received tonight from people steaming and being pissed off because we lost 65 points today, when I've said again and again that we'll be betting 25 points a race and up to 1000 in the week, suggests to me that these people are betting way out of their comfort zone.

 Every time we discount or make the service more available for a smallish price and for a small amount of races we increase the amount of shit we have to deal with. I was up at 5am and I lost today and I'm dealing with people who are supposed to have lost 6% of what they were prepared to lose this week and the TV is showing people dying all around the world and I could do without them getting irate.

 On top of all of that there are admin and transaction costs which make selling the week in one go a better things for us.

 Having said all that we may do something from Wednesday, my time tonight has been wasted on other things instead of talking to Joe about that.

No worries, thanks for the reply.

I'll probably subscribe anyway, just got sidetracked today.

[tikay]

Oooh.

Thought Room Key was a little unlucky in running there, got knocked about a bit at the crucial stage, though I'm not suggesting it would or should have won.

Even so, a 40/1 place is not so bad.

[Kmac84]

It helps. 

Should hopefully be a winning day now and eat into yesterday. 

Cheers Neil.

I left Pallister and backed Tupi myself.  The only reason I done that was the form with Winstanley was somewhat let down and your comment about Hannon Jnrs horses yesterday so cheers for that.

[Kmac84]

<3 Channing. 

[toddswain]

Following Neil's bets but had 4points each way on magique based on his write up

[Nico29]

Following Neil's bets but had 4points each way on magique based on his write up

+1, tho don't think he'd have said to go ew on that race*

15 runners first 3 places.

*I def get the problem when it's 33's, you want to do it to place just in case, trying to learn myself that in such cases win only is the best value play.

[toddswain]

Ha I'm kinda clueless on when to and when not to bet each way, hence paying for someone else's opinion, but punters gonna punt