Things I wish I knew

[Jon MW]

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God = Numbers = God

roughly speaking. They had some really weird shit as well, but I don't mind that central concept

Nah, that's just playing with words.

Everything we do is controlled and overseen by numbers - so that'd be a bit like a deity then?  

I wrote a whole essay once on how we're living in a neo-neo-Pythagorean age on the basic principle that everything's digital and/or statistical and the number crunchers run everything - I'm not sure whether it was a completely concrete and coherent argument but I only had half an hour to sling it together and it did the trick.

[Tal]

Christian philosophy has addressed it, but it isn't a debate worth having.

My whole point is that there can exist two sets of beliefs.

Would you say that science is a 'belief'?

Really don't want to do this during a spurs game!

As I said earlier, it is too simplistic to separate science from religion.

That is my last word on the matter.

[kinboshi]

Christian philosophy has addressed it, but it isn't a debate worth having.

My whole point is that there can exist two sets of beliefs.

Would you say that science is a 'belief'?

"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.” - Tim Minchin.

Perhaps not the most informed or reliable source on the science vs religion debate, but it works for me.

Exactly.  That covers 99.99% of religious arguments.  The rest is pretty much semantics. 

To compare religious belief to the scientific method is quite frankly bollocks. 

"The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry."
Richard Dawkins

[sovietsong]

post some more things you wish you knew please keith, we're losing the thread...

[Redsgirl]

I wish I knew why anyone bothers to debate religion 
World would be a lot better place if everyone just beileved what they believed quietly.

[nirvana]

Kin, start your own thread

"Things I know I know"

[Woodsey]

Kin, start your own thread

"Things I know I know"

 

[kinboshi]

I wish I knew why anyone bothers to debate religion 
World would be a lot better place if everyone just beileved what they believed quietly.

Agree 100%.  That's faith, and that's great - everyone should be free to believe what they want.  Religion however, is about 'privilege' and if adherents to a particular religion are given privilege, that means that others must suffer as a result (zero-sum game).  A secular society is actually a lot fairer to those who want to practice whatever faith they want in their homes, in freedom.

[Tal]

Practise.

[Tal]

(Couldn't resist. Know I should have, but it felt so right!)

Time to move on, as this is the eternal debate in which no one's view moves a squiggle.

[Redsgirl]

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I wish I knew why anyone bothers to debate religion 
World would be a lot better place if everyone just beileved what they believed quietly.

Agree 100%.  That's faith, and that's great - everyone should be free to believe what they want.  Religion however, is about 'privilege' and if adherents to a particular religion are given privilege, that means that others must suffer as a result (zero-sum game).  A secular society is actually a lot fairer to those who want to practice whatever faith they want in their homes, in freedom.

Of course, I wouldn't dream of discussing the merits of any organised religion, it all just sounds like 'my dads bigger than your dad' to me.
What I was referring to was more the is there or isn't there question.
Now you are drawing me in, because I have to ask why you seem hell bent (excuse the pun) on proving there isn't a 'God'?
You seem more passionate about it than a lot of people I know are about there proclaimed religion!
Isn't that the same as people who insist there is?

[rfgqqabc]

I am going to football practice

I am going to practise playing the piano

Is that right? Semi back on topic too.

[Tal]

I am going to football practice

I am going to practise playing the piano

Is that right? Semi back on topic too.

In English, practice is only a noun. Practise is a verb. The Yanks seem to disagree but that shouldn't concern us.

The way I remember it is:

ICE IS cold.

Ice - noun
Is - verb

[Tal]

In answer to your question, Yes, you've got it.

[Acidmouse]

Science is abs bollocks, 100 years from now they will have said we got it all wrong and it was really God created it all...you just wait.