6 way to the flop, two overs and NFD OOP

[SuuPRlim]

the reason I think donking has merit is because we'd be able to 3bet ship over a flop raise with a decent chunk of fold equity, no-one's really gonna raise/fold this flop multi-way so when we donk-3bet jam we get it in vs a really really strong range. So i'd rather chk/call and keep weaker draws and weaker 1p hands involved and the turn isn't going to be that hard hard to play without initiative (we might miss out realising our equity from time to time when we c/f the turn) but other good things can happen like the turn be 3 way and get checked through etc, or chk/raise (admitedly when we chk-raise/call we get it in vs a very strong range, but this way when our biggest bet goes in we have a legitimate amount of FE)

[cambridgealex]

my thoughts, very briefly-

weaker 1p hands and weaker draws are far more likely to call a bet than bet themselves though?

we can rep far stronger range by donking

not getting raised very often at all, only if someone has a set or two pair probably.

[SuuPRlim]

Just think of the playability of this hand vs those ranges, multi-way.

[SuuPRlim]

my thoughts, very briefly-

weaker 1p hands and weaker draws are far more likely to call a bet than bet themselves though?

we can rep far stronger range by donking

not getting raised very often at all, only if someone has a set or two pair probably.

I dont agree you rep stronger by donking, I think you rep weaker. People are going to bluff A's and Q's quite a bit once we c/c as our hand looks like a weak toppair type hand, I don't think us betting, and being called be weak 1p hands, and raised by magnum stuff is all that desireable personally.

In fact the more I think about it the more I just don't really see any need to donk anything here. I think this hand specifically plays quite nicely without the initiative.

[Nit Tendencies]

here my donking range would be non-nut flush draws, T8 and maybe like JJ/TT, decent 9x hands.

I think when we lead we are DEFINITELY repping a much weaker range than a multi-way check raise, I'm very surprised that idea is even in discussion tbh.

I would only c/r top two, sets and the nut fd (maybe the T8ss actually too) because of all of the things Lil D said previously. We get to inflate the pot vs showdown hands that we have a lot of equity against and can make fold at some point, and worse draws that we can charge and pump up their reverse implied for the times when we both make our flush.

I think we get so much more credit for a huge hand when we c/r that this is the best way to apply maximum pressure on the hands that are ahead of us, whilst simultaneously getting value from dominated draws.

I don't even think it's close, c/r every day of every week.