Thatcher dead?

[redsimon]

Don't think Kinboshi did much work today.

Everywhere on my Facebook timeline it says "Daniel Phillips likes this".

To be fair that's what he does most days, when he's not at Church

[bobAlike]

Definitely pro Thatcher here and proud of it. My life, my family and those around me certainly benefitted from having a PM with balls. T

Sums it up really, me me me.

Yes it may be a 'me, me, me' centric view but so what. First and foremost my family and their welfare is my priority and secondly everyone else. It's my view and I'll stand by it. I am now able to support my family and contribute to society by means of my tax contributions and charitable donations all largely down to Maggie.

The Thatcher years made me what I am today and I'm proud of that. It taught me that I should not expect things on a plate and that I should earn what I want out of life whether that's working for myself or for somebody else.

My parents and school teachers taught me that.

Sorry, I should add that my parents did their bit, not so sure about the scool though. I should also ammend my words to say that the Thatcher government made it easy for me to succeed. (I've never been good with the written word- hence the school comment)

[TightEnd]

Keith

Thatcher was always a hugely divisive figure as she had to change the country after the mess of the 1970s

This came at great social cost. The alternative was it happened over two decades not 5-6 years, and would have been worse for many more people

However to claim the Falklands was about winning the election is one of the great myths perpetuated by lazy thinkers.

She rang up the Junta and said "look I am in trouble, invade and I will be a war leader?" come on now, the Argentines invaded. She was meant to do nothing and let them go into Argentine sovereignty?

Of course not

[The Camel]

Definitely pro Thatcher here and proud of it. My life, my family and those around me certainly benefitted from having a PM with balls. T

Sums it up really, me me me.

Yes it may be a 'me, me, me' centric view but so what. First and foremost my family and their welfare is my priority and secondly everyone else. It's my view and I'll stand by it. I am now able to support my family and contribute to society by means of my tax contributions and charitable donations all largely down to Maggie.

The Thatcher years made me what I am today and I'm proud of that. It taught me that I should not expect things on a plate and that I should earn what I want out of life whether that's working for myself or for somebody else.

My parents and school teachers taught me that.

Sorry, I should add that my parents did their bit, not so sure about the scool though. I should also ammend my words to say that the Thatcher government made it easy for me to succeed. (I've never been good with the written word- hence the school comment)

Yeah, you were fine if you weren't poor, disabled, a trade union member, a nurse, ill, old, gay or in desperate need of a council house.

[The Camel]

Keith

Thatcher was always a hugely divisive figure as she had to change the country after the mess of the 1970s

This came at great social cost. The alternative was it happened over two decades not 5-6 years, and would have been worse for many more people

However to claim the Falklands was about winning the election is one of the great myths perpetuated by lazy thinkers.

She rang up the Junta and said "look I am in trouble, invade and I will be a war leader?" come on now, the Argentines invaded. She was meant to do nothing and let them go into Argentine sovereignty?

Of course not

Of course not, but in no way was a military response justified or justifiable.

The Argentinians would have left without a huge loss of life.

And the Tories would have lost the 1983 election.

[jakally]

It's amazing (to me) how many intelligent, articulate, people, are completely one-eyed on this subject.

I would pay zero attention to anyone who thinks Thatcher was 100% wonderful, and refuses to accept she had faults, and made errors, just as I would not listen to anyone who claims that everything she did was bad, and will not acknowledge her strengths, or achievements.
This thread pretty much proves that debate on the subject is pointless, as the majority of people who want to talk about her, are completely closed-minded to the other side.

[TightEnd]

It's amazing (to me) how many intelligent, articulate, people, are completely one-eyed on this subject.

I would pay zero attention to anyone who thinks Thatcher was 100% wonderful, and refuses to accept she had faults, and made errors, just as I would not listen to anyone who claims that everything she did was bad, and will not acknowledge her strengths, or achievements.
This thread pretty much proves that debate on the subject is pointless, as the majority of people who want to talk about her, are completely closed-minded to the other side.

The most divisive British public figure of any of our lives, that is for sure.

[TightEnd]

Keith

Thatcher was always a hugely divisive figure as she had to change the country after the mess of the 1970s

This came at great social cost. The alternative was it happened over two decades not 5-6 years, and would have been worse for many more people

However to claim the Falklands was about winning the election is one of the great myths perpetuated by lazy thinkers.

She rang up the Junta and said "look I am in trouble, invade and I will be a war leader?" come on now, the Argentines invaded. She was meant to do nothing and let them go into Argentine sovereignty?

Of course not

Of course not, but in no way was a military response justified or justifiable.

The Argentinians would have left without a huge loss of life.

And the Tories would have lost the 1983 election.

No..justified imo

Yes. Our forces lost 250 lives, Argentines 700.

Yes probably

and we'll have seen Prime Minister Kinnock.....

[bobAlike]

Definitely pro Thatcher here and proud of it. My life, my family and those around me certainly benefitted from having a PM with balls. T

Sums it up really, me me me.

Yes it may be a 'me, me, me' centric view but so what. First and foremost my family and their welfare is my priority and secondly everyone else. It's my view and I'll stand by it. I am now able to support my family and contribute to society by means of my tax contributions and charitable donations all largely down to Maggie.

The Thatcher years made me what I am today and I'm proud of that. It taught me that I should not expect things on a plate and that I should earn what I want out of life whether that's working for myself or for somebody else.

My parents and school teachers taught me that.

Sorry, I should add that my parents did their bit, not so sure about the scool though. I should also ammend my words to say that the Thatcher government made it easy for me to succeed. (I've never been good with the written word- hence the school comment)

Yeah, you were fine if you weren't poor, disabled, a trade union member, a nurse, ill, old, gay or in desperate need of a council house.

But if you wanted to help yourself she encouraged it.

[nirvana]

Definitely pro Thatcher here and proud of it. My life, my family and those around me certainly benefitted from having a PM with balls. T

Sums it up really, me me me.

Yes it may be a 'me, me, me' centric view but so what. First and foremost my family and their welfare is my priority and secondly everyone else. It's my view and I'll stand by it. I am now able to support my family and contribute to society by means of my tax contributions and charitable donations all largely down to Maggie.

The Thatcher years made me what I am today and I'm proud of that. It taught me that I should not expect things on a plate and that I should earn what I want out of life whether that's working for myself or for somebody else.

My parents and school teachers taught me that.

tbf, they didn't do enough of a job on you or you'd be in a job that had you making a tax contribution to society

[bobAlike]

It's amazing (to me) how many intelligent, articulate, people, are completely one-eyed on this subject.

I would pay zero attention to anyone who thinks Thatcher was 100% wonderful, and refuses to accept she had faults, and made errors, just as I would not listen to anyone who claims that everything she did was bad, and will not acknowledge her strengths, or achievements.
This thread pretty much proves that debate on the subject is pointless, as the majority of people who want to talk about her, are completely closed-minded to the other side.

You are right and I am one of the guilty ones. She did have her faults and she did screw somethings up. (that hurt, lol)

[redsimon]

Keith

Thatcher was always a hugely divisive figure as she had to change the country after the mess of the 1970s

This came at great social cost. The alternative was it happened over two decades not 5-6 years, and would have been worse for many more people

However to claim the Falklands was about winning the election is one of the great myths perpetuated by lazy thinkers.

She rang up the Junta and said "look I am in trouble, invade and I will be a war leader?" come on now, the Argentines invaded. She was meant to do nothing and let them go into Argentine sovereignty?

Of course not

Of course not, but in no way was a military response justified or justifiable.

The Argentinians would have left without a huge loss of life.

And the Tories would have lost the 1983 election.

No..justified imo

Yes. Our forces lost 250 lives, Argentines 700.

Yes probably

and we'll have seen Prime Minister Kinnock.....

Michael Foot surely?

[kinboshi]

This is a good article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/apr/11/germaine-greer-margaret-thatcher-anniversary

Although I'm sure many won't like it, or bother to read it, and of course many will disagree with a lot of it.  Good article nevertheless.

[nirvana]

It's amazing (to me) how many intelligent, articulate, people, are completely one-eyed on this subject.

I would pay zero attention to anyone who thinks Thatcher was 100% wonderful, and refuses to accept she had faults, and made errors, just as I would not listen to anyone who claims that everything she did was bad, and will not acknowledge her strengths, or achievements.
This thread pretty much proves that debate on the subject is pointless, as the majority of people who want to talk about her, are completely closed-minded to the other side.

I am completely balanced on the subject. On balance she did what she did and a lot was good. I didn't like it when she criticised the concept of 'scoiety' though

[rfgqqabc]

@mulhuzz - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1520s_in_England

Henry VIIIs poll tax was actually 1525 not 1520 so dammit shudda run to Wikipedia before spouting complete nonsense. Doubleup correct that this measure was not linked to the electoral role, this is chiefly because the electoral role was 300 years away. Jon MW is correct that every solution to the problem has been unpopular. Would like to hear a fair solution.

@Doobs - yep my mrs has loads of new shoes she bought on her credit card too. I keep telling her buying stuff you can't afford will only land her in a lot of debt.

Spouting nonsense comment was ool. I apologise.