Guess Ivey wants his dough...

[MPOWER]

Ivey is a private punter, a gambler man who hopes to win V the house.

He took advantage as a private punter and got lucky v a big corporate monster.

I'm sorry Genting it's not Ivey who is the problem it's the folk you pay to make your business work.  

Genting should be embarrassed whining over a winner because they dropped the ball.

Regards

M

[doubleup]

How are they even going to prove that the deck used on the night is the one they produce in court? As soon as ivey left the table they lose that arguement id imagine

That is the only way he wins - on a technical argument that the casino agreed to cash his chips and send him his winnings.  They should have actually sought to have him prosecuted for cheating if they felt that had happened.  Having said that, if he hasn't been in the UK since the incident, he might actually be arrested if he returns - which would be a lol.  

[The Camel]

Surprised Genting didn't pay straight away.

Also surprised they didn't sue the card manufacturer.

But most of all I'll be very very surprised if Ivey wins, whatever the rights and wrongs of the issue.

[Tal]

Surprised Genting didn't pay straight away.

Also surprised they didn't sue the card manufacturer.

But most of all I'll be very very surprised if Ivey wins, whatever the rights and wrongs of the issue.

Must be the first time anyone has ever said that bit in bold. Ever.

That's the Chuck Norris of poker you're talking about.

[doubleup]

Surprised Genting didn't pay straight away.

Also surprised they didn't sue the card manufacturer.

But most of all I'll be very very surprised if Ivey wins, whatever the rights and wrongs of the issue.

I'm looking at a cardback with poker stars written on it.  Obv if I rotate it poker stars is upside down.  There was not necessarily an error in manufacture, just an assymetry in design.

[relaedgc]

I don't understand why it's so confusing an issue.

If an ATM pays you out wrong, you're obliged to pay back the money.

If you're paid out via a Casino because there was an overpayment, or because the fairness and integrity of the game was compromised, legally speaking it is considered as deception/theft and they are able to recover this money via legal channels.

The only difference is that people seem to think that simply because it's a casino, they deserve to be cheated.

Is that the general consensus, in essence?

[The Camel]

Surprised Genting didn't pay straight away.

Also surprised they didn't sue the card manufacturer.

But most of all I'll be very very surprised if Ivey wins, whatever the rights and wrongs of the issue.

I'm looking at a cardback with poker stars written on it.  Obv if I rotate it poker stars is upside down.  There was not necessarily an error in manufacture, just an assymetry in design.

huh?

The back of every card should be exactly the same.

[The Camel]

I don't understand why it's so confusing an issue.

If an ATM pays you out wrong, you're obliged to pay back the money.

If you're paid out via a Casino because there was an overpayment, or because the fairness and integrity of the game was compromised, legally speaking it is considered as deception/theft and they are able to recover this money via legal channels.

The only difference is that people seem to think that simply because it's a casino, they deserve to be cheated.

Is that the general consensus, in essence?

I was on Ivey's side until I heard he was getting all 4 cards exposed before he placed his bet.

I though he was just looking at the top card and betting one way or another based on that.

If it isn't cheating, it is walking very close to the line.

TBH I don't care who wins. I certainly don't like casinos much, but I don't like Ivey much either.

[Doobs]

Surprised Genting didn't pay straight away.

Also surprised they didn't sue the card manufacturer.

But most of all I'll be very very surprised if Ivey wins, whatever the rights and wrongs of the issue.

I'm looking at a cardback with poker stars written on it.  Obv if I rotate it poker stars is upside down.  There was not necessarily an error in manufacture, just an assymetry in design.

huh?

The back of every card should be exactly the same.

He was allegedly asking for some of the cards to be turned around "for luck".  So if he was asking for and to be turned around, as alleged, then he knows which they are if the words "poker stars"* are upside down.   

They also alleged he insisted on using the electronic shuffle which would mean once the and were upside down they would remain so.

* or whatever the asymmetry was in this case.

[redarmi]

I don't understand why it's so confusing an issue.

If an ATM pays you out wrong, you're obliged to pay back the money.

If you're paid out via a Casino because there was an overpayment, or because the fairness and integrity of the game was compromised, legally speaking it is considered as deception/theft and they are able to recover this money via legal channels.

The only difference is that people seem to think that simply because it's a casino, they deserve to be cheated.

Is that the general consensus, in essence?

I was on Ivey's side until I heard he was getting all 4 cards exposed before he placed his bet.

I though he was just looking at the top card and betting one way or another based on that.

If it isn't cheating, it is walking very close to the line.

TBH I don't care who wins. I certainly don't like casinos much, but I don't like Ivey much either.

Pretty much this.  If everything everyone has said is right it seems that he did everything in his power to tip the scales in his favour and use his sway as a high roller to ensure he wasnt discovered earlier.  I don't have much sympathy for a casino that allows any of this stuff to happen but you can see how it did.  I am not overly keen on the business ethics of casinos overall but I am not sure Ivey is any better tbh.

[Royal Flush]

Wish i could post my thoughts...

[Dubai]

Brings back scandal memories. Can't believe it's been 5years since the bf sng scandal, 8 years since the Stan James hendonmob one.

[Royal Flush]

8 years since the Stan James hendonmob one.

wow

[Dubai]

Test your memory. Who won the hendonmob overall league in that year, it's first in existence. Close friend of yours is a clue

[Royal Flush]

Test your memory. Who won the hendonmob overall league in that year, it's first in existence. Close friend of yours is a clue

Jamie i remember when he went to vegas