DC Help for Rexas

[Rexas]

Hey everybody!

Basically, I've decided that I want to try my hand at some dealers choice games, and work my way up to playing the big DC games that seem to be fairly regularly occurring. I'm a reasonably experienced standard 7 card stud player, a pretty experienced omaha player, and a pretty experienced lowball player (but not specifically padooki, which im told is significantly different from Badugi). I know the basic rules of every game played, but have noticed in my attempts to play that I am pretty lacking in the knowledge of starting hands etc. My game of choice on the btn is padooki, since I feel my strongest edge is in lowball draw games and the greatest positional advantage comes in this game.

Basically, has anybody got any helpful tips/advanced strategy information to help me develop a stronger DC game? Thanks!

The DC games that I see played include:

Super Stud
7 card stud
7 card stud hi-lo
Omaha 4-5-6
Omaha 4-5-6 hi-lo
Texas Hold-em
Irish
Pineapple
Padooki

[Sweetman]

I always choose a draw game on my button too, definitely the biggest positional edge of the mixed games, followed  closely by 6 card PLO8.

If someone chooses plo8 6 card and I'm in the SB (playing deep), I'm folding virtually all hands bar AA23 / AA34 type hands. This game you need to be getting money in with nuts+redraws+nut low draws/redraws, being out of position makes this hard to get money in well.  Conversely play many hands in the cutoff and the button.  Be careful of being set over setted, this can seem pretty common when playing 6O.

Novice players make most mistakes in superstud, its literally amazing the times you see people getting their money in on 5th street heads up with just a set and no low draw, when their opponent already has the low locked up subsequently has them free-rolled.  Despite this, I still think picking this game on your button is a waste of positional advantage, since stud position changes due to up cards strength.

I much prefer badugi to padooki, since in badugi, you can have A23 rainbow and still draw on the 3rd draw, knowing that if you miss you still will prob have the best hand (a made 3 card badugi). Whereas in padooki, you'll often be better to pat a smallish flush, rather than risk catching a big card on the third draw. Its only a small difference but logically the game of badugi sits much better with me.  Wish places in the UK would start spreading Baduci and Badaci split pot games, but I think they can only really work as fixed limit.

If you are a decent stud player, youll know the nuances of the Stud/Stud Hi Lo games, but in my experience, no-one hardly ever picks these games as they are so "starting hand dependant".  People always pick SuperStud instead.

Would be interested to hear any tips on "Maltese Cross" and "Joker Poker" if anyone has any insight.  People pick this a lot in Stoke, and I can't really see any ways to play it optimally.

[Rexas]

This thread has gone well :p

[Rexas]

Sweetman, I've never actually heard of either of those variants of the game, could you explain them for me?

[Tal]

Baduci, I think, is a triple draw game where the pot is split between the best 2-7 hand and the best Badugi. Think aces are high.

You can't therefore have the nuts both ways, but that doesn't mean you can't win both pots, obv.

Badaci has aces being low ("Bad Ace-y", geddit?)


I'm sure much better qualified answers will come shortly.

[JK]

You need to learn 4o, 6 h/l, super stud and padooki above ALL else. These are #1 priority (for the DTD games anyway). The only other game you'll play is Irish and thats when Berridge in playing.

Literally, forget about stud and stud h/l and definitely forget pineapple. You will NEVER EVER EVER see anyone pick Hold'em, and if you pick it, they'll eat your face. If you do fancy it though, there isnt a paddle for it at DTD, but if you turn the paddle upside down and call out Hold'em, You'll be in the upper echelons of the DTD DC game as probably <5% know that you can do it

[rfgqqabc]

Message honeybadger and point him to the topic, ideally post something that will challenge him, and he'll take the bait imo.

Lildave and I discussed the merits of 4/5/6 Omaha and what gives the biggest positional advantage, thoughts from the topic? He gave a convincing argument for 4, made a lot of sense, I feel like Omaha 8 should be the same but its hard to know.

[Rexas]

Yeah, I'm kinda hoping that stu and dave notice this and come out with some ridic wisdom, as they tend to :p I'm only just starting to feel like I'm appreciating the intricacies of being a winning Omaha player, literally really as of yesterday, and I've found myself filled with a renewed enthusiasm for poker in general, as if I'm on the brink of a massive epiphany

[rfgqqabc]

Yeah, I'm kinda hoping that stu and dave notice this and come out with some ridic wisdom, as they tend to :p I'm only just starting to feel like I'm appreciating the intricacies of being a winning Omaha player, literally really as of yesterday, and I've found myself filled with a renewed enthusiasm for poker in general, as if I'm on the brink of a massive epiphany

Stu likes superstud, just sayin'

[Rexas]

Yeah, I'm kinda hoping that stu and dave notice this and come out with some ridic wisdom, as they tend to :p I'm only just starting to feel like I'm appreciating the intricacies of being a winning Omaha player, literally really as of yesterday, and I've found myself filled with a renewed enthusiasm for poker in general, as if I'm on the brink of a massive epiphany

Stu likes superstud, just sayin'

And padooki, if the rumours are to be believed Although not Irish... Definitely not Irish. #notsurewhetherracist

[redsimon]

I would prefer to call maximum PLO8 (4/5/6) when on button over padooki. Feel people overplay low hands in PLO8 and often shovel money in when most of it won't come back thru' being 1/4rd etc.

Is the DtD game still mostly 5/5? If theres a regular 2/2  going might come down more often.

As an aside re: Hold 'em, at Notts Gala many years ago a drunk wealthy guy sat in on the DC game but only wanted to play Texas (the game on the telly he called it). We played PLHE for about two hours he played every hand until his money eventually ran out

[Sweetman]

Baduci, I think, is a triple draw game where the pot is split between the best 2-7 hand and the best Badugi. Think aces are high.

You can't therefore have the nuts both ways, but that doesn't mean you can't win both pots, obv.

Badaci has aces being low ("Bad Ace-y", geddit?)


I'm sure much better qualified answers will come shortly.

Yes and more importantly, the nuts can be achieved both ways with A2345 being the badaci version of 23457

[BorntoBubble]

What is a fair sit down at a 2/2 game for a player who knows probably half of the games but not very well! would defo be interested but dont want to lose chunks early on!

[Honeybadger]

Yeah, I'm kinda hoping that stu and dave notice this and come out with some ridic wisdom, as they tend to :p I'm only just starting to feel like I'm appreciating the intricacies of being a winning Omaha player, literally really as of yesterday, and I've found myself filled with a renewed enthusiasm for poker in general, as if I'm on the brink of a massive epiphany

Stu is a superstud, just sayin'

FYP

I am happy to discuss DC games with you Matt, but privately not on this thread. I can teach you the basics of all the main games. After that you've got to play lots to get a more nuanced understanding (and perhaps then I can help you further if you are nice to me).

Adam, the offer I made you several months ago re Superstud in particular still stands. Take me up on it whenever you are ready.

For anyone interested in getting into DC, the most important games to learn are Omaha, Omaha High Low, Padooki and Superstud. Some schools play a wide variety of other games, occasionally even including wild cards and/or more than one flop. But I'd advise focusing on the four staple games in the first instance and only work on the rarer variants when it becomes necessary.

Omaha High Low is by far the easiest game of the four to become competent at, since it is strategically the simplest. After that it is probably Omaha, then Padooki, then Superstud. Each game requires its own unique set of skills to play well though.

[wazz]

How is hi-lo simpler than straight hi? Straight hi is also closest to nlhe.

On the subject of 4/5/6, I absolutely hate 6-card PLO (hi). Everyone takes ages to read their hands, look at the board, read their hands again. Because everyone always has something hands take longer. Edges are much smaller as well. 5O is tolerable but 4O is the purest game and you get more than enough coolers and more than enough opportunity to gamble. I will always fight hard to keep 4O games at 4O and will always make sure when I start a new table that it's 4O only and convince people to change to 5 or 6. People have this idea that edges are bigger and that people gamble more but it's just not true.