Early in Bigger 109 turned TPTK against two winning UK grinders

[Jables20]

Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (30/60 blinds, 5 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players

SB: 3,175 (52.9 bb)
BB: 4,423 (73.7 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): 2,201 (36.7 bb)
UTG+2: 5,617 (93.6 bb)
MP1: 2,166 (36.1 bb)
MP2: 4,203 (70.1 bb)
MP3: 2,885 (48.1 bb)
CO: 5,842 (97.4 bb)
BTN: 3,476 (57.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Ah
Hero raises to 123, 4 folds, CO calls 123, 2 folds, BB calls 63

Flop: (444) (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (444) (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 180, CO calls 180, BB raises to 680, Hero?

CO is checktrap11
BB is MatFrankland

Hate this spot, always feel so abused, any thoughts welcomed.

[pleno1]

doesnt seem that close. fold.

[Jables20]

Betting turn ok you think?

[PathFinder]

As said previously fold turn. Although I prefer a cbet on this board.

[TL900]

cbetting the flop would be really bad imo. Whole hand looks good imo

[pleno1]

cbetting the flop would be really bad imo. Whole hand looks good imo

yeh betg this flop would be real bad multiway

[PathFinder]

Would you cbet if we had  or ? As I misread the hand and I thought we had  doh!! Which I believe is a defo cbet

[Nico29]

I find this an interesting hand.

And whereas I do respect pleno and def Tom Langley's opinion's, I don't like just saying meh easy fold.

Why is it not even close? Can't the co be hooding loads of stuff we crush and can't frankie be semi-bluffing quite a bit?

If it's a clear fold then by betting aren't we getting exploited so much by anyone competent that we should just turn our hand into a bluff catcher on the turn/river and check call like a meek little mouse rather than trying to get a street or two of value from worse?

Having said all this I prob bet fold here mostly too unless there is some history. Just not sure we should always be bet folding and slapping ourselves on the back so much in this kind of spot, though checking seems pretty awful too on such a board.

[wazz]

If we had any more barrel cards than J-A I think a flop c-bet is good, and I don't think a c-bet would actually be that bad as things stand.

I have no idea how Mat plays but once we check the flop we're contemplating folding the very tip-top of our range. We almost always have CO beat so it's a question of how much Mat wants to make a play. He'd be well within his rights as well, reading both us and CO as having a hand like AJ at best.

There are lots of hands that beat us, yes, and a few rivers could well be troublesome, but I feel quite icky folding such a good hand to a capable player. With stacks as they are I think Mat has a draw that he's happy to call it off with here, of which there are many. I first thought this was an easy fold but I think it's closer to a jam.

[pleno1]

its 30-60 and we are drawing dead vs a value range and not doing great vs a bluffing range and probably fold some rivers when we are good.

just say wd to him, we can also c callturn if we want.

[wazz]

So you're happy having literally not a single hand that you're not folding here?

[titaniumbean]

So you're happy having literally not a single hand that you're not folding here?

yeh they don't do this because they know this or anything. it's an mtt they have two pair/set.

[Nit Tendencies]

C-betting here is horrible and just a really lazy play. We're betting FAR too much of our range if we bet AJo here, vs two opponents who will definitely not give up easily, and can easily punish our mistake. If the villains are weak fish then I would definitely go ahead and bet; But vs these villains it's the easiest c/f ever.

As for turn, I do think it's really gross actually, mainly because I know Franky's game reasonably well and I'm sure he'd go for a c/r here pretty wide intending to bet full pot or over pot otr, since we've capped our range by checking the flop. Also, I'm not entirely sure he'd c/r JT/89/flopped sets here BECAUSE we have a capped range, so we're unlikely to have a hand that can call/call, also, because we checked the flop 3 way he probably thinks we're done with the hand.

That being said, he might now be ignoring us completely in the hand (which is pretty reasonable since we only continue with a turned J), and be targeting checktrap11 who is MUCH stickier than Jamie, and might just bet/call or bet/spew over franky's turn c/r.

I'm pretty sure I just fold in game, but I think there is a pretty good argument vs Frank specifically to defend this hand here. Not sure that's really that fair a comment though sicne I haven't really mentioned anything about what the "game theory optimal" decision is, just rough idea based on what I know about Franky, but that's all I've got for now, so it'll have to do.

[Nit Tendencies]

So you're happy having literally not a single hand that you're not folding here?

yeh they don't do this because they know this or anything. it's an mtt they have two pair/set.

You know this is Franky right? Accomplished mtt/cash game player who is perfectly aware that both of his opponents in the hand are capped and probably views Jables as a pretty solid player who is not going to get ool here.

I can actually see this being a bluff, as I think it's a pretty cool spot to squeeze.

[titaniumbean]

So you're happy having literally not a single hand that you're not folding here?

yeh they don't do this because they know this or anything. it's an mtt they have two pair/set.

You know this is Franky right? Accomplished mtt/cash game player who is perfectly aware that both of his opponents in the hand are capped and probably views Jables as a pretty solid player who is not going to get ool here.

I can actually see this being a bluff, as I think it's a pretty cool spot to squeeze.

oh ya I give him a much greater likelihood of doing some thing good, ie widening his range with more semi bluffs, if it was hu I deffo wouldn't fold but as the other guy is in and seems more likely to be continuing don't really think continuing plays too well, as as you said he'll be capable of some funky river bet sizes etc.