Early in Bigger 109 turned TPTK against two winning UK grinders

[PathFinder]

Well aren't you a delightful fellow. No point in posting on PHA board too much dick swinging, apparently poker has been solved gg nit tendencies

[Nit Tendencies]

Well aren't you a delightful fellow. No point in posting on PHA board too much dick swinging, apparently poker has been solved gg nit tendencies

My reply was completely devoid of ego, it was simply a post designed to further the discussion and talk about strategy in a thorough way, so if anybody read it they would understand what drove my thought processes (even if they didn't agree with them) rather than just saying "LOL JUST BET ANY BOARD AND BARREL OVERCARDS OBVVSSS) and not explaining or backing up anything that you've claimed is a winning strategy.

Your reply was two sentences with unsubstantiated claims, mine was broken down into bullet points explaining each point clearly.

If a recreational player is reading our two posts, which do you think will be easier to digest and subsequently help their game?

[rfgqqabc]

Well aren't you a delightful fellow. No point in posting on PHA board too much dick swinging, apparently poker has been solved gg nit tendencies

My reply was completely devoid of ego, it was simply a post designed to further the discussion and talk about strategy in a thorough way, so if anybody read it they would understand what drove my thought processes (even if they didn't agree with them) rather than just saying "LOL JUST BET ANY BOARD AND BARREL OVERCARDS OBVVSSS) and not explaining or backing up anything that you've claimed is a winning strategy.

Your reply was two sentences with unsubstantiated claims, mine was broken down into bullet points explaining each point clearly.

If a recreational player is reading our two posts, which do you think will be easier to digest and subsequently help their game?

Devoid of ego, I'm not too sure, certainly the romantic notion comment and even the first line will and has rub people the wrong way. Don't get me wrong, I like your posts, but this is the 2nd time in 4 posts in PHA (something like that) that has rubbed people the wrong way, just calm it on the posting style a touch imo. Obviously you can ignore this, but your posts are good so I'd like you to stick around but people tend to be a touch sensitive especially as it is often something they feel good at.



Personally I'd fold pre, antes are tiny @ 1/6 of sb but maybe I'm a nit. On the turn with dynamic etc, I'm still folding, you cite being a bit eager pre and just seeing antes/not looking at BB, something like that can easily happen other way too, and we still have plenty of chips. Sometimes we can just fold in these spots and largefield MTTs are the time to do it. Altho make a note to jab him in the arm next time you see him. Interesting spot and I'd love to hear his thoughts.

[Nit Tendencies]

Let me start by saying that I actually don't think that I was being offensive with this post (unlike my one a few weeks previous with you mate, for which i am truly sorry). I was possibly slightly abrupt and maybe should have let the post settle for a while before posting instead of just streaming off what came out of my head without a filter, but I fail to see how me clearly explaining several elements of a point (even if the tone was slightly abrupt), is more offensive than somebody posting two sentences of unsubstantiated statements on a forum for mutual improvement. I consider that to be an action filled with much more arrogance, since this is supposed to be a forum for peer to peer learning, and I struggle to see how anybody can learn from "just bet, and bet all overcards". Even if I disagreed with the stament, if he had said something like "I think I would c-bet for reason x because he will fold y part of his range or it accomplishes z", but in a learning environment i genuinely do think it's pretty lazy (and much worse form than spending some time constructing a helpful and easy to digest post in a manner that might be perceived as shirty) to say "[statement]... just 'cos."

As you can see from the number next to my name, I don't post very often. This is down to a number of reasons, the most relevant being that I think the point of forums gets lost amongst trivial squabbles like this.

My intention was not to offend "PathFinder", it was merely to challenge a post which I deemed not to be constructive and state clearly why, so that we can actually dissect this hand and try (together as a forum) to work out which the best option is and why, rather than just stating each others opinion without any thought processes, since that will get us all nowhere.

Oh and fwiw, I fail to see how the "romantic notion" comment can be construed as anything but flamboyant typing, since I was referring to an ever-present topic (c-betting), and was clearly not attacking "PathFinder" personally.

[TommymfC]

fold pre

[outragous76]

fold pre

Turns up once a year ........

[PathFinder]

i do think you were quite abrupt with your post and using terms like "lazy" doesn't help when you could've just asked me to expand on my point therefore not putting people off posting in this section. The reason for my lack of thought process is that i work full time and the only way i can post on this forum during the day is on my phone, which im sure you can understand is difficult to write a full paragraph on especially when trying to do it when the boss isnt looking

Ok ill try and expand on my reasoning to cbet:

Firstly the term of "smashing a calling range". How can we be certain that we know what the calling range of Villians are? Yes we can take an estimated guess and take a population read but i think we worry too much about the Villians calling range and not what our perceived range is. The problem of trying to guess the Villians calling range is that when we are wrong we become exploited whereas we can control our own perceived range and let the Villians make the mistake! i.e folding too much or calling too much

So firstly on this flop you mention that one of the reasons to cbet is to protect our hand vs equity. This is why i cbet, lets say hypothetically one of the villains had K-Q and we checked back this flop, his equity in the hand has increased on the Jack turn. Something we couldve shut down on the flop. Now i think mattfrankland could easily chk raise the turn with this hand to exploit the extra equity you just gave him for free and if you call he can barrel river and your going to have a difficult time. This just doesnt include KQ, what about all the gappers and connectors that have a pair and backdoor draws? You are allowing their equity to increase the hand by giving them a free card and making your perceived range look weak. When you chk back the flop and lead the Jack your range looks exactly what it is and so becomes easy to play against. I just need to crank up the aggression slightly with my increased equity and make you fold.

If you are checking back all sets and pocket Jacks on this flop (which i wouldnt recommend) then its fine to then check back the weakest part of your range. There was more i wanted to write about this but if i dont start my grind now i never will, but i hope this covers my back for the time being and if you dont agree then fine but dont make it personal

Regards "PathFinder"

[Nit Tendencies]

I apologise if my abruptness offended you, that wasn't my intention at all. And fwiw, sometimes I do forget that not everybody has the time to sit there writing out bullet points, so sorry for that too.

Thanks a lot for elaborating and I'll take some time to respond soon.

[Patonius2000]

fold pre

This is just lazy and arrogant. It really gripes me when these so called 'names' come in with sweeping statements like "easy fold" or "lol 3b". Just because you've had a few results in poker doesn't mean your word is gospel.

[outragous76]

fold pre

This is just lazy and arrogant. It really gripes me when these so called 'names' come in with sweeping statements like "easy fold" or "lol 3b". Just because you've had a few results in poker doesn't mean your word is gospel.

<3

[SuuPRlim]

fold pre

This is just lazy and arrogant. It really gripes me when these so called 'names' come in with sweeping statements like "easy fold" or "lol 3b". Just because you've had a few results in poker doesn't mean your word is gospel.

Just OPR'd you patonius and you never even finalled the $3r. know your place son.

[rfgqqabc]

As you can see from the number next to my name, I don't post very often. This is down to a number of reasons, the most relevant being that I think the point of forums gets lost amongst trivial squabbles like this.

My intention was not to offend "PathFinder", it was merely to challenge a post which I deemed not to be constructive and state clearly why, so that we can actually dissect this hand and try (together as a forum) to work out which the best option is and why, rather than just stating each others opinion without any thought processes, since that will get us all nowhere.

Oh and fwiw, I fail to see how the "romantic notion" comment can be construed as anything but flamboyant typing, since I was referring to an ever-present topic (c-betting), and was clearly not attacking "PathFinder" personally.

I agree with your points and wish people were a little less sensitive also, I just wanted to say it could come across as a touch brash to an observer, and this might be why pathfinder got offended. Obviously the (tl900?) post before was worse, especially as stove proved you wrong ( , )but I regularly get my eyes rolled at me by friends for using the phrase "Are you on crack mate" when discussing something that is ALWAYS ((ok maybe I'm wrong sometimes) unbelievable/horrible  so I know how it feels and its frustrating to have someone feel like this when its not your intention etc.

Stick around man, your posts are v.good. I regularly have to defend pads for his "trivial" folds etc, so I wont mind explaining its just your style either! 

[dreenie]

Vs 2 people that know what they are doing, I'd most likely bet the flop, as played vs the same 2 ppl I'd just fold now and wait for better given the level of the tournament, and u still have a good stack.

P.S - Would love more than 2 people on this forum to reply to my hands I post, so count yourself lucky Jamie B.

P.P.S - who is Tommymfc irl?

[pleno1]

Heh behave yourself Jamie you scallywag

[neverbluff67]

Vs 2 people that know what they are doing, I'd most likely bet the flop, as played vs the same 2 ppl I'd just fold now and wait for better given the level of the tournament, and u still have a good stack.

P.S - Would love more than 2 people on this forum to reply to my hands I post, so count yourself lucky Jamie B.

P.P.S - who is Tommymfc irl?

Tommy mf'n C