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« Reply #75 on: July 27, 2013, 01:28:59 PM »

Reports an hour ago linking Carzola with a move to Athletico.....sigh.....

Santi Cazorla has denied he is set to return to Spain and insisted he is "very happy" at current club Arsenal.

Reports have linked the Gunners star with a move to Atletico Madrid, after the Spanish side were believed to be preparing a bid.

Atletico coach Diego Simeone has not denied that his side were interested in Cazorla, commenting last week that "anything is possible" when asked about the midfielder.

But the 28-year-old midfielder, who is set to join up with Arsene Wenger's squad this week, has stressed he is not about to leave London for Madrid.

He told reporters: "There has been a lot of speculation about a move to Atletico Madrid but I'm very happy at Arsenal, I have a contract there and I start training on Monday.

"Perhaps I will return to Spain one day, but right now it's very unlikely," he added.

Cazorla signed for Arsenal from cash-strapped Malaga last summer in a £15million deal and immediately made himself at home, becoming one of the Gunners top performers.



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« Reply #76 on: July 27, 2013, 01:36:57 PM »

Reports an hour ago linking Carzola with a move to Athletico.....sigh.....

Santi Cazorla has denied he is set to return to Spain and insisted he is "very happy" at current club Arsenal.

Reports have linked the Gunners star with a move to Atletico Madrid, after the Spanish side were believed to be preparing a bid.

Atletico coach Diego Simeone has not denied that his side were interested in Cazorla, commenting last week that "anything is possible" when asked about the midfielder.

But the 28-year-old midfielder, who is set to join up with Arsene Wenger's squad this week, has stressed he is not about to leave London for Madrid.

He told reporters: "There has been a lot of speculation about a move to Atletico Madrid but I'm very happy at Arsenal, I have a contract there and I start training on Monday.

"Perhaps I will return to Spain one day, but right now it's very unlikely," he added.

Cazorla signed for Arsenal from cash-strapped Malaga last summer in a £15million deal and immediately made himself at home, becoming one of the Gunners top performers.



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lol ridiculous story, it says Simeone hasn´t said anything about Cazorla and Cazorla has clearly stated he is happy at Arsenal. Looks like the move is a formality based on that rock solid evidence.
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« Reply #77 on: July 27, 2013, 01:52:41 PM »

I never said I put any stock in it...its in the mirror ffs...lol
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« Reply #78 on: July 27, 2013, 05:59:37 PM »

I never said I put any stock in it...its in the mirror ffs...lol

To me the sigh indicated you were resigned to losing Cazorla. I didn´t realise the sigh was resignation at the lack of improvement in the standard of journalism following the Leveson enquiry. Having recognised the misunderstanding, I share your sigh.
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« Reply #79 on: July 27, 2013, 06:07:16 PM »

Lol, very good. It was more a sigh that its a sell tale, rather than a buy tale.

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« Reply #80 on: July 29, 2013, 11:30:37 AM »

Boyles have confirmed that they use stats supplied from the Press Association for their markets.
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« Reply #81 on: July 30, 2013, 01:14:04 AM »

Boyles have confirmed that they use stats supplied from the Press Association for their markets.

Apologies, this is going to be quite long and full of stats.

When I first saw your proposed bet I thought it sounded great but the more I look in depth at it, the more I understand why they are pricing it as they do.
I'm not saying the bet is bad, just that it's an interesting market and it's a lot tighter than a top goalscorer market.
If you take these stats as being about right,

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Combined_2012-13.html

the leaders are Mata + Hazard both with 13 each but there are 9 players very closely bunched with at least 9 assists.

Chelsea have 2, Mata and Hazard with 13 each.
Arsenal have 3, Cazorla (12), Walcott (11) and Podolski (10).
United have 2, RVP (10) and Rooney (11).
Liverpool have 1, Gerrard (9) but Coutinho got 5 in less than half a season, signing in January.
City only have 1, Silva (9) but Tevez got 8. City scored a comparitively low team total of goals though, which is sure to rise.
After that we have some interesting ones, Shaun Maloney and Jean Beausejour of relegated Wigan both got 8. Duff and Ruiz of Fulham both got 7.

So anyway it seems that teams tend to share out their assists quite evenly among their top 2 or 3 assisters.
So what we ideally need for this bet is a team that is going to score a shed load of goals and that hopefully doesn't have too many guys assisting. We want a guy that hogs all the set pieces as well as being a great final third passer.
Last year team goal totals
United 86
Chelsea 75
Arsenal 72
Pool 71
City 66
Spurs 66

Spurs are up there with the top team goal totals but their assisters are too spread with Bale/Lennon (7), Dempsey (6), Defoe/Sigurðsson (5).
So I think our winner is going to come from the top 5 teams but which team is going to increase their goals total? Well this is why I think I'd rather wait until the transfer merry go around finishes but I think Chelsea may finish around the same (75).

Chelsea scored 72, 72 and 64 in Mourinhos 1st spell at the club. I think we can expect something of the same, possibly slightly higher. They have a potential of a Spurs type spread this year as well with Mata/Hazard/Oscar/Schurrle/De Bruyne/Lukaku and others all possibly sharing the assist load more.

City I think will certainly score more than 66 this year. And Navas is an interesting one for sure. His club record of 388 games, 34 goals and 77 assists is good but not incredible (albeit he'll be in a more competitive, goalscoring side) and his chronic homesickness is likely to be sorely tested during a year in Manchester. I think they may suffer from too many assisters but Silva would be the major danger to my mind.

If Pool lose Suarez then their goal total will surely fall and Gerrard had a good assist total last year but he played virtually every league minute and that's unlikely to re-occur. Coutinho is an interesting one though, I see him as Pools main assister this year.

United is an interesting one. Last years 86 goals is hard to better so I don't see more goals. Their transfer business is possibly going to be key.
If they sign Fabregas, he's an assist monster and he would shake up the whole market. I don't think it's likely but who knows? Kagawa is priced the same as Cazorla which is strange as he only got 3 last year. If they sign Baines, he may hurt RVP by taking some set pieces away.

Arsenal were the only club with 3 players in double figures for assists last year. That's not ideal.
On the plus side for Cazorla, he's likely to be better in his 2nd year at the club. I think I read somewhere that he made more passes in the final third than any player in Europe last year and this is a key stat. And this for a team that struggled into 4th.
If Arsenal sign Suarez, I think it's an ideal transfer for Cazorla. He's a greedy goalscorer who doesn't assist much and this is what we want. More goals for the club but less sharing.   

Cliff notes: I like the bet but I'd like to wait. If Arsenal sign Suarez, I love the bet.
Also on a sidenote, I like Arsenal @ 11/1 e/w for the league. Similarly if they sign Suarez, I love that bet (I'm on @ 12/1).

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« Reply #82 on: August 01, 2013, 10:34:50 AM »

Great write up, thanks!
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« Reply #83 on: August 01, 2013, 10:38:48 AM »

I’m usually loathe to bet on or tip my own team, but the handicap market for League Two appears to be underestimating us, or overestimating how far ahead other teams will be, or both.

SkyBet have Wimbledon +26 at 20/1.

WillHill have us +27 at 18/1.

Both e/w terms are ¼ odds for top 4.

Last season we were awful and only just survived. However, after replacing Terry Brown with Neal Ardley, our second half of the season saw us with near play-off form.

We finished on 53 points, 30 behind the champions and 23 behind 4th place.

Both have Burton +16. We finished 17 points behind them last season.

I’m not being stupidly optimistic about our chances this season but I think we’ll definitely be higher than last year. We have a good young manager who is implementing professional change at the club, which has been too non-league in the league so far. We have brought in experienced players as well as some exciting younger ones.

I think it will be tight with the handicaps given but I think they are too big. What do you reckon?
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« Reply #84 on: August 02, 2013, 05:27:13 AM »

Posted this earlier, but Coventry are 4's to be relegated? How is this? They are set to be deducted upto 30 points too?
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« Reply #85 on: August 02, 2013, 09:09:25 AM »

Posted this earlier, but Coventry are 4's to be relegated? How is this? They are set to be deducted upto 30 points too?

The 30 points wouldn't be included in the bet obv
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« Reply #86 on: August 02, 2013, 09:16:59 AM »


Tremendous piece of analysis by Bazza there. No wonder he is a winning punter.
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« Reply #87 on: August 02, 2013, 09:37:32 AM »

Posted this earlier, but Coventry are 4's to be relegated? How is this? They are set to be deducted upto 30 points too?

The 30 points wouldn't be included in the bet obv

Are you sure? If they're relegated the bet's a winner, whatever the points deduction.
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« Reply #88 on: August 02, 2013, 10:48:01 AM »

I am confused now, they do not have a points deduction at present, but it will happen as soon as things are sorted, whether or not it's 10,15 or 20 is anyones guess.
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« Reply #89 on: August 02, 2013, 10:54:58 AM »

Not saying you are wrong but where are the sources for further points deductions

they were deducted 10 points in 2012-13 for going into administration

Is it certain they face more?

links and proof please
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