Is this bad etiquette?

[pleno1]

I'm very sociable at the table but I say things like don't arise me so much! I'm usually super weak lol

[aaron1867]

I don't want people to start or stop posting just because of their like or dislike of me, it is what it is. Perhaps there is a little bit of me that is disappointed in lildave comments, because not sure why that is relevant really and thread has gone down a different road.

Quite clearly Alex just wants to have a go, but there you go, genuinely lold at the classless comment though, considering his nonsense today.,

But like jjandelis said, got to focus on what has been said even the negatives too.

[WotRTheChances]

Seems pretty pointless to make a thread about etiquette to find out if what you have done is wrong, only to be told that yes, peope you've played with have found your behaviour poor, to then just be super-defensive and basically say that you're not going to listen or that people need to provide more evidence because you don't agree or w/e.

As lil' Dave said... i'd be pretty gutted if someone told me they found my behaviour at tables to be OOL. I'd be looking to make a conscious effort to improve it in future, regardless of if I considered my behaviour to be OOL or not (its pretty irrelevant if several others believe it to be... it clearly doesn't look good). You haven't said anything to hint you might feel that way, so what's the point in having this discussion. If you're happy with your conduct and don't mind if other aren't its end of discussion.

[dreenie]

I don't want people to start or stop posting just because of their like or dislike of me, it is what it is. Perhaps there is a little bit of me that is disappointed in lildave comments, because not sure why that is relevant really and thread has gone down a different road.

Quite clearly Alex just wants to have a go, but there you go, genuinely lold at the classless comment though, considering his nonsense today.,

But like jjandelis said, got to focus on what has been said even the negatives too.

That's the whole point tho, u know the score between u and Alex, u wind him up as much as he winds u up, your not stupid people. He wasn't classless fwiw, but if I was Keys, I would be angry to have it put out in the open like that, as assumed they were v.good friends. At the end of the day Alex had his own personal reasons why he put it out there, and that's none of mine neither yours business.

However what u have done is about how to conduct yourself at a table etc, so it's completely different?

You both give as good as u get I'm afraid.

[dreenie]

Seems pretty pointless to make a thread about etiquette to find out if what you have done is wrong, only to be told that yes, peope you've played with have found your behaviour poor, to then just be super-defensive and basically say that you're not going to listen or that people need to provide more evidence because you don't agree or w/e.

As lil' Dave said... i'd be pretty gutted if someone told me they found my behaviour at tables to be OOL. I'd be looking to make a conscious effort to improve it in future, regardless of if I considered my behaviour to be OOL or not (its pretty irrelevant if several others believe it to be... it clearly doesn't look good). You haven't said anything to hint you might feel that way, so what's the point in having this discussion. If you're happy with your conduct and don't mind if other aren't its end of discussion.

And +1 to all of this

[MANTIS01]

It's funny because itt there are a lot of people happy to voice their opinions about etiquette and correct behaviour. Yet not a single one of these people appear in Alex's WSOP staking thread to voice their opinion about etiquette and correct behaviour.

So people are simply using this very minor point about arrogance to beat aaron with a stick simply because it's aaron. I mean shock horror there's a young arrogant kid at the poker table, who'd have thought it?

In terms of what I think constitues classy behaviour it's consistency and fairness. I think if you pick and choose who you chastise based on who you like best it says a lot about your own values imo. Where are all you brave heroes of etiquette and good behaviour when it's somebody more popular than aaron?

[SuuPRlim]

Aaron I don't dislike you at all, I actually really enjoy your posting on blonde to be brutally honest, and you're responsible for my favorite ever post on blonde

I'm just saying what I think based on the evidence I have, people have said things to me about you, and tbh given the tone of your posts on here I'm not at all surprised.

As for not respecting opinions from Jamie that is actually kinda irrelevant, more than one person has said the exact same thing Jamie said to me about you the only reason I mentioned him is because i know 100% he wouldn't mind me using him as a reference but other who have said similar things might and it's not my place to share conversations that took place in private on a public board.

Saying that Jamie takes it too literally and for that reason his opinion is worthless is pretty dumb though, Jamie is very experienced player and he will be very aware of how your behavior and attitude affects the other players at the table.

[WotRTheChances]

It's funny because itt there are a lot of people happy to voice their opinions about etiquette and correct behaviour. Yet not a single one of these people appear in Alex's WSOP staking thread to voice their opinion about etiquette and correct behaviour.

So people are simply using this very minor point about arrogance to beat aaron with a stick simply because it's aaron. I mean shock horror there's a young arrogant kid at the poker table, who'd have thought it?

In terms of what I think constitues classy behaviour it's consistency and fairness. I think if you pick and choose who you chastise based on who you like best it says a lot about your own values imo. Where are all you brave heroes of etiquette and good behaviour when it's somebody more popular than aaron?

Pretty much disagree with all of this.

I don't think anyone here has really 'beaten Aaron with a stick' ITT. He has actively chosen to create a platform for people to discuss his etiquette at the tables and people have given constructive advice given what they've heard (I don't think many ITT have shared a table with Aaron and have made that clear). I think regardless of who it was people would say if they had similar experiences with other Blondes.

As for Alex's staking thread. Only read it once, but don't see what the big fuss is about? People bought %s but didn't pay anywhere close to the deadline he set, so he let people know and freed up the shares? Didn't seem too bad to me.... and I'm usually the first to tell Alex when I think he's being a douche

[CHIPPYMAN]

It's funny because itt there are a lot of people happy to voice their opinions about etiquette and correct behaviour. Yet not a single one of these people appear in Alex's WSOP staking thread to voice their opinion about etiquette and correct behaviour.

So people are simply using this very minor point about arrogance to beat aaron with a stick simply because it's aaron. I mean shock horror there's a young arrogant kid at the poker table, who'd have thought it?

In terms of what I think constitues classy behaviour it's consistency and fairness. I think if you pick and choose who you chastise based on who you like best it says a lot about your own values imo. Where are all you brave heroes of etiquette and good behaviour when it's somebody more popular than aaron?

Pretty much disagree with all of this.

I don't think anyone here has really 'beaten Aaron with a stick' ITT. He has actively chosen to create a platform for people to discuss his etiquette at the tables and people have given constructive advice given what they've heard (I don't think many ITT have shared a table with Aaron and have made that clear). I think regardless of who it was people would say if they had similar experiences with other Blondes.

As for Alex's staking thread. Only read it once, but don't see what the big fuss is about? People bought %s but didn't pay anywhere close to the deadline he set, so he let people know and freed up the shares? Didn't seem too bad to me.... and I'm usually the first to tell Alex when I think he's being a douche

 I thought Keys is ur employer ?

[Honeybadger]

It's funny because itt there are a lot of people happy to voice their opinions about etiquette and correct behaviour. Yet not a single one of these people appear in Alex's WSOP staking thread to voice their opinion about etiquette and correct behaviour.

So people are simply using this very minor point about arrogance to beat aaron with a stick simply because it's aaron. I mean shock horror there's a young arrogant kid at the poker table, who'd have thought it?

In terms of what I think constitues classy behaviour it's consistency and fairness. I think if you pick and choose who you chastise based on who you like best it says a lot about your own values imo. Where are all you brave heroes of etiquette and good behaviour when it's somebody more popular than aaron?

Mantis, I realise you enjoy swimming against the tide, playing devil's advocate, sometimes (shock horror) even being controversial. It's your thing, and I kinda dig it. But I think you sometimes get carried away with yourself and end up trying to make contrary points for the sake of it, rather than because they are good points.

IMO hardly anyone has said anything out of line in this thread. People (including me) have given their opinions on the two issues that Aaron has asked about, that's pretty much all. Fair enough, there have been a few additional comments made about Aaron's persona at the table, but they don't read as mean and horrible to me. They seem constructive and helpful. Lil'Dave started this line of discussion off I think, and I am 100% sure he would never do this maliciously... he was just trying to HELP Aaron.

I personally have no problem at all with Aaron. I think he is a really valuable part of the blonde community, and his presence on the forums makes Blonde a better place. In the past I have spoken privately to several regular posters about their attitude to Aaron and told them they were being a bit out of line towards him. Don't really think they listened, but then they are young... and, to paraphrase you, "shock horror there's a young arrogant kid posting his thoughts on a forum, who'd have thought it"!

I don't think people are being inconsistent or unfair. Well, maybe some of them are a little bit sometimes. But then people are not perfect and are still learning. Also, you implied that Aaron is not especially popular on this forum and I disagree. I think Aaron is hugely popular on Blonde. Many people (including myself) enjoy engaging with him, and are very keen to offer him help and advice whenever he wants it - and sometimes when he doesn't! When people stop giving a shit about what he says, that is when he should start to worry.

[cambridgealex]

It's funny because itt there are a lot of people happy to voice their opinions about etiquette and correct behaviour. Yet not a single one of these people appear in Alex's WSOP staking thread to voice their opinion about etiquette and correct behaviour.

So people are simply using this very minor point about arrogance to beat aaron with a stick simply because it's aaron. I mean shock horror there's a young arrogant kid at the poker table, who'd have thought it?

In terms of what I think constitues classy behaviour it's consistency and fairness. I think if you pick and choose who you chastise based on who you like best it says a lot about your own values imo. Where are all you brave heroes of etiquette and good behaviour when it's somebody more popular than aaron?

Well this is a thread where the OP has asked about his etiquette. Mine is a staking thread. So it's pretty clear in which thread people voicing their opinions about etiquette belong.

Also, perhaps no-one thinks there's anything to criticise in that thread? It was pretty simple. People didn't pay up for a big chunk of action and after a few weeks extension and grace, and after no communication I decided to cancel their percentages and sell them on to others, whilst being transparent about what I was doing.

It says so much about the gambling world if I get stick for doing that, whereas those that welched get protected and defended.

[MANTIS01]

Yo Stu I don't think my point about enjoying the diversity of people and the unique human experience live poker creates is contrary, it's a strong valid point. Just because I don't agree with you or indeed the majority isn't really controversial, it's just different. You and Dave want to help aaron be more socially acceptable at the tables and I want to help him be himself. The way I see things if people aren't breaking any rules, just ruffling a few feathers, then that is ok in the game of poker. It might not be pat-a-cake pleasant, but it is ok, and I enjoy seeing people lose their minds at the poker table. Like Tikay I find it all very funny.

Anyway, maybe we are reading different threads cos you say....

People have given their opinions on the two issues that Aaron has asked about, that's pretty much all

Yet a selection of the "constructive and helpful comments" I read....

half the people who play with you regularly have told me you deserve a slap

You are obnoxious, arrogant, and pretty rude

I’ve heard that you’re not very pleasant to share a table with

You need to stop being a tool

You looked a prick

Awful to play with

Douches gonna douche

Douchey…expect nothing less

Sweet that so many people want to "help" this lad with the two issues he asked about. Considering many thought his conduct was perfectly ok I would suggest those comments are relatively harsh and actually nothing to do with the issues he raised. It is just general chastisement of a lol hugely popular figure.

That said if people want to offer general chastisement of hugely popular figures why stop at this thread? As far as I can see Alex sold shares for Vegas in May and having flown over he was still waiting payment of 4 figs from some quarters. Having attempted to communicate with those fellas he was ignored. This meant he had to scramble to re-sell pieces in a saturated market. Now I don't know if that's how you and Dave do business Stu, and I don't know cos both of you ain't said anything about it. I think if you guys want to "help" with poker stuff then choosing minor issues like this to comment on isn't really going to set the world alight. Maybe you should both try getting a bit carried away with yourselves and get your teeth stuck into more telling matters?

[aaron1867]

Dave, I didn't say you didn't like me, etc. I was just saying unsure why you added a different dimension to topic. I asked for two specific situations & it goes off topic....

Alex LOL.

You made a staking thread, instead of saying I've opened up X%, you make a little drama out of it, then mention about $$ you have given to Keys' horses, why is that not classless?

You could have just cancelled % in private and opened up the %, without the drama.

It was classless, perhaps hilarious too.

[cambridgealex]

People need to be called out in public for this sort of thing in my opinion. If I seller did something equivalent he would get buried, why should buyers not get called out?

[redsimon]

People need to be called out in public for this sort of thing in my opinion. If I seller did something equivalent he would get buried, why should buyers not get called out?

THis obviously is 100% true, not sure how its being compared tbh