Main event fml spot vs Jake Cody

[theprawnidentity]

Yeh just checked my sums, clicking it back means we're putting 34.4% of our stack in the middle so we can never be folding.  In which case, jamming 100% looks weaker, and if he has history of you spazzing out with stuff (like everyone does), then has to be a pretty clear shove.

[BulldozerD]

Such a sexy hand and probably looks like a squeeze. I'm all-in here. Don't really like calling and don't really like folding. I suppose peeling pre would have been ok too

[Pinchop73]

If bluffing is such a certainty then jamming makes his life so easy.

I'm min clicking it back so that he's forced to not fold, get him to either jam or peel his 67s.

[George2Loose]

Do we really want him peeling with hands like 67ss. Think he will just fold his bluffs anyway. He's not gonna hero 6 bet jam air here imo

[OverTheBorder]

Have we seen Villain on an Ipad reading Prose from a Poshboy?  I do think posting that you plan to avoid him on a forum of which he is a member was a mistake IMO.  Whilst Jake is not a regular reader someone could easily get that to him.

As played I think you can fold if the table is genuinely that soft. However, Jakes 4b range versus you whilst he has position, includes hands you beat a lot of the time.

[theprawnidentity]

If bluffing is such a certainty then jamming makes his life so easy.

I'm min clicking it back so that he's forced to not fold, get him to either jam or peel his 67s.

He's just never going to hood flat you here.  If we 5b, were never folding, so shoving and 5 betting do the same job, except he might find some looser calls if he really thinks were fucking about.

[dwayne110]

Def think flatting is the worst of your options - not deep enough to call almost 25% of your stack pre and would be pretty tilting if you miss flop (which ofc you will more often than not), then fold. Perfect jamming spot imo, don't really like the min-raise as to me it suggests you're either button-clicking or trying to find a way not to commit all of your chips with a hand like A-K, whilst giving a very good players more options.

[SuuPRlim]

5b/calling is didgy imo, I think flatting i the best although I think you had quite a cool spot to flat pre-flop (as in don't squeeze), lots of gd flops with there likely to be some dominated Ax/Kx hands in play.

Getting such a good price now i think flattng better than folding, and not really a fan of 5betting, Jake wont expect you to be going of your lid for 80bigs, and wont expect you to expect him to be doing that either.

[Honeybadger]

Given your overall gameplan, I'd definitely flat preflop rather than 3bet. Your hand plays very well multiway with the NFD possibility, and also it is great to have a deceptively strong hand when OOP vs a very good player. You are often going to flop a top of the range bluff catcher which is going to be really easy to play because you will beat much of his value range as well as his bluffs on many run-outs (a result of not 3betting is that you keep all dominated Ax and Kx hands in the pot). And if the hand gets to showdown it shows villain that you are giving him plenty of respect, sort of like implicitly saying "leave me alone and I'll leave you alone... let's just take it in turns to get the easier money". And finally, if you ever do get heads up in a pot with him (esp OOP) he always has to be worried about you having a stronger than usual range, which will prevent him fucking with you too much.

[rfgqqabc]

Also I've been thinking a bunch about the main event. Everyone is taking incredibly nitty/low variances lines cos they dont wanna bust cos of their massive hedge etc etc. Surely if you stop taking a bunch of winning lines you have far less of an edge anyway. Also, if everyone if playing tight it is even more reason for you to go off like a train

I've thought about this sort of thing too, not really to do with the ME but when we think we have say a 50% roi, if we don't take any spots with say a 10% return then how have we affected our roi overall. Is the 50% made up of all the 10% spots added together, or the overall equity of each decision averaged out to make 50% roi? If we fail to take some closer spots we potentially hurt ourselves in future situations due to our shorter stack. Someone waiting for a spot with an incredible return will capitalise on it for less than say someone who pushes all but the thinnest of edges.

[CHIPPYMAN]

This Jake Cody kid seems v talented. Absolutely disgusting spot. everything seems shit, every option is a level. Probably let him have this one, seen as the table is so good. Maybe jam it in his eye later with J2 or something

9 handed u jammed his raised with suited gapper in the MC n get there on the river . FT u jammed into Rastafish with J2o n didn't get there . All that happened infront of Jake . He's taking note and I think his notes computer is working at that time . Just fold n wait for better spot . U r a clever kid .

[railtard1]

Wouldn't of 3bet pre, think its a good spot to just peel. Keep in dominated Ax, dominated Kx and also dominated heart flush draws  ( the later part hasn't been spoken about ITT I don't think, but is something that allows us to win a big pot).
As played would gg

[dwayne110]

Def agree with flatting initially re honeybadger's logic:

"Given your overall gameplan, I'd definitely flat preflop rather than 3bet. Your hand plays very well multiway with the NFD possibility, and also it is great to have a deceptively strong hand when OOP vs a very good player. You are often going to flop a top of the range bluff catcher which is going to be really easy to play because you will beat much of his value range as well as his bluffs on many run-outs (a result of not 3betting is that you keep all dominated Ax and Kx hands in the pot). And if the hand gets to showdown it shows villain that you are giving him plenty of respect, sort of like implicitly saying "leave me alone and I'll leave you alone... let's just take it in turns to get the easier money". And finally, if you ever do get heads up in a pot with him (esp OOP) he always has to be worried about you having a stronger than usual range, which will prevent him fucking with you too much."

But once it's played out as it has, surely this is a shoving or folding spot? I'll let the better plays decide but just hate flatting/min raising further given stack sizes. Given it's the ME and perceived edge then folding can never be too bad here.

[railtard1]

Def agree with flatting initially re honeybadger's logic:

"Given your overall gameplan, I'd definitely flat preflop rather than 3bet. Your hand plays very well multiway with the NFD possibility, and also it is great to have a deceptively strong hand when OOP vs a very good player. You are often going to flop a top of the range bluff catcher which is going to be really easy to play because you will beat much of his value range as well as his bluffs on many run-outs (a result of not 3betting is that you keep all dominated Ax and Kx hands in the pot). And if the hand gets to showdown it shows villain that you are giving him plenty of respect, sort of like implicitly saying "leave me alone and I'll leave you alone... let's just take it in turns to get the easier money". And finally, if you ever do get heads up in a pot with him (esp OOP) he always has to be worried about you having a stronger than usual range, which will prevent him fucking with you too much."

But once it's played out as it has, surely this is a shoving or folding spot? I'll let the better plays decide but just hate flatting/min raising further given stack sizes. Given it's the ME and perceived edge then folding can never be too bad here.

Jakes value range giving action and sizing is probably AA and KK, with the blockers we have, id be jamming.

[railtard1]

This Jake Cody kid seems v talented. Absolutely disgusting spot. everything seems shit, every option is a level. Probably let him have this one, seen as the table is so good. Maybe jam it in his eye later with J2 or something

9 handed u jammed his raised with suited gapper in the MC n get there on the river . FT u jammed into Rastafish with J2o n didn't get there . All that happened infront of Jake . He's taking note and I think his notes computer is working at that time . Just fold n wait for better spot . U r a clever kid .

3betting is truly woeful if were folding to jakes 4b in such a GREAT spot for him imo. If he has a blocker in his hand, especially Ax, I actually expect him to 4bet with a decent frequency in a spot like ths, given that it likely has the affect of making u want to fold the bottom of ur value range (QQ and AK).
All this talk of main event edges etc is really exaggerated imo. Yes, its  really great tourney, yes its only once a year, yes we may find "better spots", but what exactly constitutes as a better spot in a NLHE mtt? I fully expect us to be getting someone to 4bet fold for like 20bb and not having to show our hand down, seems like a pretty good spot to me. Yes, id rather have top set vs 2nd set in a 3bet pot, but its not always possible, plus we might just be against pleno and he will just fold a set np :-)
 Obviously FML spot If the guy wasn't jake, and was a guy from the south, drinking JD, aged over 50, wearing a cowboy hat.
Despite the above, I think peeling pre is still best given stacks, positions and also the fact were suited and were going mult-way.