Main event fml spot vs Jake Cody

[WotRTheChances]

Don't mind the 3b pre. Obv when you get 4-bet it's annoying (although not so bad). Definitely would flat here a reasonable % and 3-bet some too. Once you've been 4-bet I think Jam>5-bet-call>>flat>fold. Really don't like flatting or folding much tbh. I mean Jake is obv a thinking player and knows you won't just be lol-peeling with 89s here OOP. Also don't see him 4-betting with any dominated Ax for value, so he can play pretty well post vs you as in reality your hand strength is fairly face-up (88-QQ, AQs+ or something). vs someone else, or if a fish had peeled the 4-bet too, then I don't mind peeling so much.

[AlexMartin]

Peeling the 4b is just an abs disaster. This is not a cash game. We define our range so much that when we check the non Q/K/A board Jake can just bet his 67s and the hand is over.

More so, when we do flop dece, he has such an easy fold and we have thus won the absolute minimum. The implied odds of peeling are joke bad. Jake is just always going to play perfectly against us. When we peel, we're risking over 25% of our stack with an almost 0% chance of fully realising our equity when we hit. We're not playing against a spazz here.

He also never has AA/KK, because he's never going to want to loose the lose player out of the pot with such a strong hand. It's just a spot where he can mug you 90% of the time.

EDIT: Seems tomstom has posted basically this already. Should read before I post D'oh

not calling a 4bet to hit...

calling a 4b to take our range against his. this is under the assumption you have a solid/good image.

i would typically assign a good players flatting range of big broadways and some AA/KK.

keeping in all his tosh and his Ax and Kx 4b bluffs is nice.

that said id prefer flat pre (over 3bet) and also prefer 5b jam (over flatting his 4bet), but with a read that hes very likely to be light i think i prefer flatting his 4ball.

[wazz]

We shouldnt have much 89s as theres way too much value to flat them than squeeze but if we did surely we should be lolflatting here? Hes trying to make us fold our air and nothing else surely

[LOJ]

How did it end up?

[youthnkzR]

I think 3b fold is possibly the worst way to play this hand. If we 3b we surely 5b jam! (For all the reasons stated before). If we're not jamming then flat pre. 5b cib isn't very good either IMO.

[wazz]

Yeah time for results please!

[cambridgealex]

Wait till I've busted main!

[david3103]

Wait till I've busted main!

October??

[AlexMartin]

Wait till I've busted main!

October??

long ft bubble

[david3103]

Wait till I've busted main!

October??

long ft bubble

My bad

[cambridgealex]

right, im out

so i peeled the 4bet and it came T82 i think, one of my suit he bet 3.6k into about 12, I called figuring I had a good price to

a) bink an ace or king on the turn
b) bink a heart on the turn
c) have him crushed anyway and he may give up and I get to showdown and win.

Optimistic, yes. Bad, possibly.

The turn was a J and he set me in and I folded.

/end thread please please?!

[The Squid]

Oof! Horrif hand gotta jam pre particularly as we block AA and KK which are his only real value hands.

[SuuPRlim]

I think the flop is pretty bad personally, yes you might have the best hand, yes you might hit an ACE/KING but it's a very awkward spot with really messy stacks and its not like Jake is gonna misplay many turns given his range.

I think calling PF is ok personally, you're getting a verrrry veryyyy good price, as has been said many times 3betting PF is the mistake.

[MANTIS01]

I think the flop is pretty bad personally, yes you might have the best hand, yes you might hit an ACE/KING but it's a very awkward spot with really messy stacks and its not like Jake is gonna misplay many turns given his range.

I think calling PF is ok personally, you're getting a verrrry veryyyy good price, as has been said many times 3betting PF is the mistake.

Mate why do you think 3betting pre is the mistake? If we have premium and 3betting is likely to generate more action from worse why is that bad for us?

Jake can decide we're fos and 4bet or Jake can fold and we pick up a loose call from a worse player. The mistake imo is fps and not smashing it in pre. People are talking about the bb's but it's the SPR which is relevant. We go to the flop with over 13k in there and only 18k behind, oop vs a better player, who was the pre-flop aggressor with 75k, pretty suicidal coup really. Alex says he doesn't want to flip vs jacks, but given the factors 50% is a much better coup than this, and that's if he gets called at all. Good for the rep vs pig farmers as well. Alex plays the hand good if he has AA imo but equity plummets post wit AK & good villain prob gets away when you hit anyway. This is the problem when you don't believe in reverse implied odds

[rfgqqabc]

I think the flop is pretty bad personally, yes you might have the best hand, yes you might hit an ACE/KING but it's a very awkward spot with really messy stacks and its not like Jake is gonna misplay many turns given his range.

I think calling PF is ok personally, you're getting a verrrry veryyyy good price, as has been said many times 3betting PF is the mistake.

Mate why do you think 3betting pre is the mistake? If we have premium and 3betting is likely to generate more action from worse why is that bad for us?

Jake can decide we're fos and 4bet or Jake can fold and we pick up a loose call from a worse player. The mistake imo is fps and not smashing it in pre. People are talking about the bb's but it's the SPR which is relevant. We go to the flop with over 13k in there and only 18k behind, oop vs a better player, who was the pre-flop aggressor with 75k, pretty suicidal coup really. Alex says he doesn't want to flip vs jacks, but given the factors 50% is a much better coup than this, and that's if he gets called at all. Good for the rep vs pig farmers as well. Alex plays the hand good if he has AA imo but equity plummets post wit AK & good villain prob gets away when you hit anyway. This is the problem when you don't believe in reverse implied odds

If we presume Jake is the most likely person to call the 3bet, which seems reasonable, we are effectively isolating one of the best players in the field when we could call and overflush/overstraight any of the people behind. However, I completely agree that 5bing is better than calling, but I definitely believe if we were presented with either calling or folding then calling would have to be correct.