Self ban on games online bookies & machines inside bookies

[redarmi]

It is fine to voice an opinion  but it is almost pointless debating with people who just voice the same opinion over and over again as though they didn't bother to take into account anyone elses views.  In this case we are talking about actual maths....it isn't about opinion there is mathematical fact and a lot of people have spent a lot of time trying to educate only to get the final response of effectively "meh I still think it is wrong".  Now of course that is absolutely your right but it is a bit like trying to explain to a kid why 2+2=4 only for the child to say "no I still think it is 5".  In your case Fraser it is a bit more subtle but why exactly do you think that a company such as PWC with annual turnover in the billions would take a contract to audit machines which is probably worth about £100k a year and then lie about the random number generators being random?  Do you really think that is in their interest or do you think that your observations are more valid than their study?

[Marky147]

Don't ever come to Kracked Kings Stu

[dreenie]

I've just had a similar discussion with someone else, not for the same thing, but similar situation.

Basically the fact is for some reason you get a buzz/thrill of excitement by playing these things, whether its just an ego thing about trying to 'beat' these games only u can answer that. You say you are a professional gambler, I cannot believe this statement if you are takin the time to lose money on these kind of games. There's nothing professional about being a punter, think of these machines as evil, they are learing you into a dark place u really don't wanna go down, I have seen first hand people lose everything over these sort of addictions, your personality changes, it's no good for health, why put yourself through this ?, I don't understand it, surely there comes a point in your life where u say enough is enough?, go spend £100 on a new pair of jeans or something, take your mum out for dinner do something useful with That £100, why would u wanna put it in a bookies pocket where u clearly state yourself u have no edge? Do u enjoy seeing the shareholders or whoever driving around in Mercedes Benz cars knowing that you have help contributed to it?

U can go on any online gaming site and they will disable the casino games for you, but u can reinstate these at any time u wish, so kind of defeats the object.

The only way u will stop is by taking the advice given to you, and putting it into practise. Think before u act. Think of the consequences of what your actions will bring, how u will feel when u ultimately lose, do whatever u need to do before your problem gets bigger and u end up ruining your life, looking back thinking what if I hadn't done this or that.

Everyone makes mistakes, it's a natural part of life, but at some point there comes a time where u have to stand up and say 'enough is enough, I don't wanna be like this anymore', maybe u will have to go rock bottom for this to happen to you, I'm telling u this now before u get to that point, it's not nice and it's a very lonely, dark place down there.

Hope u can get it sorted, gl.

[AdamM]

if these are random number generators, then how can they guarantee the payout?

A computer only does what you program to do it, then only does what you tell it to do when using it

Having seen these machines in operation I dont believe they are random number generators either( despite bookies claims.)

whether Im right or wrong...

but you're dfinitely wrong

being random and being possible to win long term are different questions entirely.

If we roll a perfectly good dice a million times and I pay you 4/1 every time a 6 lands, you can't beat the game.
Doesn't stop the dice being random

I understand odds & dont want a full blown argument but your statement is based on the machines being 100% random , we could ask a bookies spokeman but what do you think they would say ?

Youve given a comparison of a perfectly good dice versus a terminal  ....the dice is obviously random but we dont know the terminals are hence I dont think your comment of "definitely wrong"  is fair.

Its my opinion from what I have seen they are not random , and I would wager money on returns being higher on a live roulette machine (same stakes etc )

Aaron has said £100 v £100 but of course this would be pretty difficult to prove a winner as the sample size would need to be a lot bigger.

I did mention in my post that I am a compliance manager of a games developer who makes these games.
We make slots for LBOs, online and mobile.

I guess you have no particular reason to trust my integrity, but I can state from a position of knowledge that the machines are completely random. When we use a device such as a virtual dice, wheel, pack of cards, etc, the chances have to be as per the physical device.

It is theoretically possible for you to spin multiple jackpots inon consecutive spins, but the chances are obviously astronomical.

The games are all rigorously tested for fairness by certified third party companies and we're HEAVILY regulated by UKGC for UK machines and various bodies like AGCC, IOM and LGA Malta for
Online

Up to you if you decide to believe me or not

[kinboshi]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity

[The Camel]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity

This is my new favourite site!!

[bobby1]

Sorry to be blunt Aaron but as a couple of people have said  (deffo not patronising imo) earlier you are the owner of the problem, you make the choices you do and you have to choose not to play these things. I'm a fat lad but I cannot blame Starbuck's coz sometimes I cannot resist a bit of carrot cake and a big latte instead of black coffee and a pot of fruit and it's deffo my fault if I get fatter when eating them. Complaining that Starbies sell those things would be me deflecting the blame.

I guess I would count as a rep saying things are all str8 but they really are, the edge is in the math not the reels. I know one thing, the amount of these machines around is getting ridiculous imo and is one of the real reasons bookies are restricting betting accounts. They have found a way to chop it right off thru scalping turnover on these machines than gambling with punters.

[aaron1867]

I know they are a loss maker, just frustrating I can't stop taking the odd spin on them!

[gouty]

I know they are a loss maker, just frustrating I can't stop taking the odd spin on them!

That is your little Gambling Imp on your shoulder. When a person learns to say " No. That's shit odds mate" to house edge games  and remember  to say "Yes. I am all in" when equity and BRM allows them to, all is well.

Just do that for 3 months and see where you are.

[Jamier-Host]

I should clarify that "no" isn't quite the right word there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almost_surely

if you want more info.

For the record the odds are

1 in 1267650600228229401496703205376

But still a possibility of course.

[SirPerceval]

I know they are a loss maker, just frustrating I can't stop taking the odd spin on them!

You CAN stop taking the odd spin on them, if you choose to.

Aaron, I don't don't know you but I can help you. PM me if you want that help. It will cost you, as what I have to offer is a professional service, but it will be a lot cheaper than the odd £100 spin. I also don't offer any guarantee but I can demonstrate past successes.

I'm not going to go into details on a public forum so if anyone wants to know any more on this please PM me. Any conversation I have with Aaron will remain between him and I.

Stuart

[kinboshi]

He'll make you read his 'Guess the Drink' thread.

[SirPerceval]

He'll make you read his 'Guess the Drink' thread.

also a choice, unless you are a paid Mod of course 

[kinboshi]

He'll make you read his 'Guess the Drink' thread.

also a choice, unless you are a paid Mod of course 

Not many of them though.

[Sheriff Fatman]

Assuming that Aaron has finished levelling everyone with his knowledge of probability and returning to the original purpose of the thread, the potential gambling problem, I have a suggestion.

Reading Aaron's original post, and the early replies, it looks like the issue is getting Aaron to identify whether or not he has a gambling addiction which needs help, or is something he can ultimately control.  At present, he believes it's the latter but if it's otherwise, I honestly don't see that he'll ever seriously realise this for himself without help.

So my challenge/suggestion to him is to use this thread going forward as a diary.  The OP suggests there's a problem which you want to address, which is a massive step to say so publically.  Therefore, each time you use a machine in the bookies, or play one of the online casino games when logging in to make a bet, my challenge is to post on here that you've done so and for what amounts.  You'll need to be honest with yourself to do this, but the point is that over time you'll see the frequency and cost of any such activity in your own words and it might provide you with the perspective to clearly see whether this is a trivial issue for you or whether it's more serious (and I'm not pre-judging on this, as it's an individual decision).

You seem to me to be the type of person who needs to see things for yourself, rather than have others tell you, before you're convinced.  If you don't want to do this on here, then do it privately as a 2nd-best alternative, but you've 'gone public' already so I think it would be a good discipline to follow this up.