Rob Yong and DTD..Your views

[GaryM]

I admire Rob’s integrity and respect his principles, which both reflect in the culture I experience from the staff at DTD.

I’m the target market here. I’m a recreational player with no aspiration or need to make any sort of income from poker. I play a few hours online in the week and around 3 live sessions a month. All I need is to be able to maintain my modest bankroll at a level where I can enjoy the game without selling a kidney to fund it.

I’m spoiled for choice of where I pay my rake. I can get to around 10 card rooms within an hour of my door. DTD is my venue of choice. There are closer card rooms with softer average player pools, free soft drinks at tourney tables and decent player rewards schemes. But I want the best overall customer experience for my rake shilling which for me is about a friendly atmosphere, reliability, good management of the card room, consistency and integrity.

Rob’s vision for the online club cash games gets my buy in. I signed up Day 1 and I’ve played exclusively on there ever since. I like the development of identifying players and if it is managed as well as the club games, I’ll continue to support them. If they don’t meet Rob’s target, that will be a sad reflection on the player pool.

I’m looking forward to the release of the iPoker app. Playing in the club and multi tabling online club cash at the same time will be good craic.

[pleno1]

I admire Rob’s integrity and respect his principles, which both reflect in the culture I experience from the staff at DTD.

I’m the target market here. I’m a recreational player with no aspiration or need to make any sort of income from poker. I play a few hours online in the week and around 3 live sessions a month. All I need is to be able to maintain my modest bankroll at a level where I can enjoy the game without selling a kidney to fund it.

I’m spoiled for choice of where I pay my rake. I can get to around 10 card rooms within an hour of my door. DTD is my venue of choice. There are closer card rooms with softer average player pools, free soft drinks at tourney tables and decent player rewards schemes. But I want the best overall customer experience for my rake shilling which for me is about a friendly atmosphere, reliability, good management of the card room, consistency and integrity.

Rob’s vision for the online club cash games gets my buy in. I signed up Day 1 and I’ve played exclusively on there ever since. I like the development of identifying players and if it is managed as well as the club games, I’ll continue to support them. If they don’t meet Rob’s target, that will be a sad reflection on the player pool.

I’m looking forward to the release of the iPoker app. Playing in the club and multi tabling online club cash at the same time will be good craic.

What's worse?

A guy playing online with a HUD or a guy playing in the club but playing online on his iPad?

[millidonk]

I admire Rob’s integrity and respect his principles, which both reflect in the culture I experience from the staff at DTD.

I’m the target market here. I’m a recreational player with no aspiration or need to make any sort of income from poker. I play a few hours online in the week and around 3 live sessions a month. All I need is to be able to maintain my modest bankroll at a level where I can enjoy the game without selling a kidney to fund it.

I’m spoiled for choice of where I pay my rake. I can get to around 10 card rooms within an hour of my door. DTD is my venue of choice. There are closer card rooms with softer average player pools, free soft drinks at tourney tables and decent player rewards schemes. But I want the best overall customer experience for my rake shilling which for me is about a friendly atmosphere, reliability, good management of the card room, consistency and integrity.

Rob’s vision for the online club cash games gets my buy in. I signed up Day 1 and I’ve played exclusively on there ever since. I like the development of identifying players and if it is managed as well as the club games, I’ll continue to support them. If they don’t meet Rob’s target, that will be a sad reflection on the player pool.

I’m looking forward to the release of the iPoker app. Playing in the club and multi tabling online club cash at the same time will be good craic.

What's worse?

A guy playing online with a HUD or a guy playing in the club but playing online on his iPad?

a HUD.

[GaryM]

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What's worse?

A guy playing online with a HUD or a guy playing in the club but playing online on his iPad?
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Not exactly sure what point you're making Patrick. Is it that you consider the HUD ban not good feature?
I have no issue with people using a HUD but given choice, I choose to play where they aren't used. I have  no issue with people using iPads at live tables either. I might even join them one day (if it's permitted of course )

[Ironside]

i dont play cash these days but if i did i would try and play where HUDs are banned i am old school and dont understand them dont understand the stats people post about them and hope rob can get them banned from MTTs aswell so i am not battling against people that have reems of info on me from months back while i on my once faultless memory that is declining fast

Good luck Rob

[pleno1]

I think the HUD stuff is fine/good/wte it's an even playing field. But - year ago all we heard was how bad mannered the young kids are at the table when they are on their iPads not talking etc then the self confessed recreational guys are now looking forward to playing online in the club something the younger guys would be castrated for.

[jgcblack]

Nearest poker place to a nandos. Please don't close.

incorrect.

mk casino is approximately 97 yards.

thanks

[NEWY]

Using a HUD is basically cheating. You are not playing poker using just your own skill/ judgement/ reads etc. Using a HUD is a skill in itself and is not a level playing field for us recs. Players using a hud correctly make decisions largely based on the stats provided by the hud. Whilst I admire and respect successful players like pleno and others for being able to crush online poker aided by their huds, for me it puts me off playing online cos I know long term I will just not be able to win. IMO Online poker is not real poker as I know it cos I am playing against a player and a database.

I think as strong  as rob feels about this I think he should not take it so personal. I don't think even he or anyone else can eliminate Huds and tracking sites so why fight a losing battle.Rob should concentrate on the things he can influence and can make happen and what he is good at. The live club is his baby and without doubt is the premiere poker venue in Europe. No club has done more for players of all levels than dtd. DTD is an amazing club that gives more value to its customers than any other business in any other industry.  DTD is the nuts but without rob and his dream then I am afraid DTD will jus become like every other poker venue.. Good but not great. Don't give up rob just concentrate on the live club.  DTD needs u. Live poker needs u.

[redsimon]

I admire Rob’s integrity and respect his principles, which both reflect in the culture I experience from the staff at DTD.

I’m the target market here. I’m a recreational player with no aspiration or need to make any sort of income from poker. I play a few hours online in the week and around 3 live sessions a month. All I need is to be able to maintain my modest bankroll at a level where I can enjoy the game without selling a kidney to fund it.

I’m spoiled for choice of where I pay my rake. I can get to around 10 card rooms within an hour of my door. DTD is my venue of choice. There are closer card rooms with softer average player pools, free soft drinks at tourney tables and decent player rewards schemes. But I want the best overall customer experience for my rake shilling which for me is about a friendly atmosphere, reliability, good management of the card room, consistency and integrity.

Rob’s vision for the online club cash games gets my buy in. I signed up Day 1 and I’ve played exclusively on there ever since. I like the development of identifying players and if it is managed as well as the club games, I’ll continue to support them. If they don’t meet Rob’s target, that will be a sad reflection on the player pool.

I’m looking forward to the release of the iPoker app. Playing in the club and multi tabling online club cash at the same time will be good craic.

What's worse?

A guy playing online with a HUD or a guy playing in the club but playing online on his iPad?

a HUD.

Not got a Ipad so deffo HUD (Milli will get the point!)

As long as guys on Ipads at DTD dont slow game down Im cool with them not observing whats actually going on too closely.

[flushthemout]

Not only is it the nuts card room, made so many friends there, smoking area even speaking to Rob is so calming, not just as he  helped the poker community in many ways but has got him self involved in other non poker activities in which I personally am truly gratefull, not an online cash player as I would rather travel the 78 mile round trip 3 nights a week to play live cash not to win sacks of money but for the Crack, Ryan, Tom, Dealers are just the best along with Reception Security and obv Valets, never a miserable face.

[GaryM]

I think the HUD stuff is fine/good/wte it's an even playing field. But - year ago all we heard was how bad mannered the young kids are at the table when they are on their iPads not talking etc then the self confessed recreational guys are now looking forward to playing online in the club something the younger guys would be castrated for.

when I said it would be good craic, i meant it literally. I think it would probably enhance the social element of the live games.

My take on the criticism you mentioned was that it was of some players taking an elitist attitude at live tables and openly disrespecting rec players. I don't know where iPads featured in it but if that was a factor then I see your point but I think its apples and oranges.

[BangBang]

In response to the article I want to say, it’s a great idea and needs to be adapted worldwide, 6 months may not be long enough to quantify whether this is a success or failure, I’m not entirely sure what Rob’s parameters are with this, maybe I’ve missed something.

This concept would be great if adapted on other sites too, maybe if they were to license on a major site where they have the normal tables but also have DTD Cash tables or a version of their own, but licensing so they get more coverage.

Change will only come if the players push for it.  At the moment I agree; Pokerstars has an unhealthy monopoly on the online poker industry, which is as bad for the game as it is for Pokerstars development, healthy competition in any industry promotes advancements in technology and also a better customer experience.

All in all I believe Rob deserves to be supported, not ‘should’ be, or ‘ought’ to be as my fellow northerners would say, but ‘Deserves’ to be. The man put his blood and sweat and money into this business, he did so to improve the conditions of the poker industry, which by anyone’s standards he’s been successful at doing, he put up guarantee after guarantee and stuck to his word even if the number of runners was abysmal.  Rob and his team have created an environment that has set the bench mark for other European operators, so it’ll be sad if he leaves the industry under these circumstances.

I don’t have a windows machine at the moment, but will by next week, so I’ll sign up and lend my support..

Good Luck to Rob..

[rfgqqabc]

Using a HUD is basically cheating. You are not playing poker using just your own skill/ judgement/ reads etc. Using a HUD is a skill in itself and is not a level playing field for us recs. Players using a hud correctly make decisions largely based on the stats provided by the hud. Whilst I admire and respect successful players like pleno and others for being able to crush online poker aided by their huds, for me it puts me off playing online cos I know long term I will just not be able to win. IMO Online poker is not real poker as I know it cos I am playing against a player and a database.

I think as strong  as rob feels about this I think he should not take it so personal. I don't think even he or anyone else can eliminate Huds and tracking sites so why fight a losing battle.Rob should concentrate on the things he can influence and can make happen and what he is good at. The live club is his baby and without doubt is the premiere poker venue in Europe. No club has done more for players of all levels than dtd. DTD is an amazing club that gives more value to its customers than any other business in any other industry.  DTD is the nuts but without rob and his dream then I am afraid DTD will jus become like every other poker venue.. Good but not great. Don't give up rob just concentrate on the live club.  DTD needs u. Live poker needs u.

I am sure people like pleno make full use of all twelve hands they have in their database on you. I don't know where this mythical idea that huds tell everyone with them about your game but its a load of tripe. Ok, so after say 50 hands I might be able to say he is tight or he is loose but beyond that they are of little to no use at all. Hardly different to a live game and a hud is hardly needed to make these reads in the first place. For some stats you might need thousands of hands for them to become meaningful. Furthermore, imagine I play gouty one friday night, hes had ten pints and instead of posting on blonde decides to play some cash hands somewhere. He is loose, erratic and just a bit fruity overall. The next time we play is a sunday night when he really fancies just having a quiet game with the tv on before work on monday. My hud would be a disadvantage at this point.

If professionals use huds as a crutch why do they win in live poker? I understand some of the points ie it allows people to play more tables etc but this is never the argument being used against huds.

[aetos]

Pls correct me if am wrong but I was under the impression that playing at the clubs cash games players would show their real names and not user names? Yesterday when I first tried a go players including me sat on the table showing nicknames! Anyway whichever way I support rob 100% and it would be a massive loss for the uk poker if he decide to withdraw from the industry

[TightEnd]

Pls correct me if am wrong but I was under the impression that playing at the clubs cash games players would show their real names and not user names? Yesterday when I first tried a go players including me sat on the table showing nicknames! Anyway whichever way I support rob 100% and it would be a massive loss for the uk poker if he decide to withdraw from the industry

Yes its coming, real name display web page being worked on this week to launch asap