WCOOP - 8 Max - Facing cold 5b with JJ

[OverTheBorder]

Found some fairly interesting spots in the 8 max yesterday, mainly cause by player to my right having a massive stack and min opening 70% of hands.

Effective Stacks:

Villain 1 (UTG) - 90k
Hero (UTG+1) - 40k
Villain 2 (UTG+2) - 42k
Villain 3 (Cut off) - 17k

Blinds are 350/700, average around 25k.

History - Villain 1 is raising practically every hand, myself and villain 2 are the only players playing back at him really.  I have 3b his opens at least 7-8 times, only showed down the goods although not been to showdown much.  5 hands previous, Villain 1 has opened, I have 3b, villain 2 has 4b, villain 1 folds, and I 5b shove to which villain tank folds.

The hand:

Villain 1 min opens to 1400, I 3b to 2900 with  , villain 2 4b to 5400, villain 3 jams for 17k (ish), villain 1 folds

what we going to do here? I think without history it is a trivial fold as JJ never in great shape against a cold 5, but as villain 1 has a huge range, my 3b range is likely to be perceived as wide in view of table history, and villain 2 has already 4b folded, seems hyper aggro and has a blank OPR.

Fold? or ISO shove?

[TL900]

Flat pre and fold now and i dont think its that close, snap folding QQ and AK too prob

[lucky_scrote]

The history doesn't mean a great deal when it's open-3bet-4bet from UTG+1+2+3.

I don't mind 3betting initially though.

[OverTheBorder]

Flat pre and fold now and i dont think its that close, snap folding QQ and AK too prob

What hands do we 3b based on the description of OP?  Seemed pretty bad to just keep peeling along to his min opens, as he can put all kinds of pressure on with his stack down the streets.  I literally had no chances to open myself as he took them all from me.  When peeling the open, the other competent players are far more likely to 3b due to the fact that he is playing 70% of hands.  This happened when players peeled his raises on multiple occassions.

I was 3b him with A9s+ 77+ K10s+ assuming I had positon.  My normal 3b range is a lot tighter than that.  He was folding to practically ever one of them.

[pleno1]

That's not a good 3bet range if he folds to every 3bet. Flatmallmof them and just 3bet bluffs. You have a strong actual range so it doesn't matter if he barrels you a lot you cover almost every board

[The Squid]

We should fold Jacks to the 5 bet and what pleno said in terms of your 3-bet range is correct.

[Nit Tendencies]

Yeah with the flat call pre lads here. I think you're misapplying information in this spot. Like Pleno said, if he is folding to a lot fo 3bets, it doesn't make any sense to have JJ in your 3betting range, just peel and induce spews behind/post flops spews and 3bet loads of bluffs.

[polerization]

Yeah with the flat call pre lads here. I think you're misapplying information in this spot. Like Pleno said, if he is folding to a lot fo 3bets, it doesn't make any sense to have JJ in your 3betting range, just peel and induce spews behind/post flops spews and 3bet loads of bluffs.

Agree with the getting action policy but were not narrowing his range here pre so he's going to test us on a lot of boards with JJ here?

[Nit Tendencies]

Yeah with the flat call pre lads here. I think you're misapplying information in this spot. Like Pleno said, if he is folding to a lot fo 3bets, it doesn't make any sense to have JJ in your 3betting range, just peel and induce spews behind/post flops spews and 3bet loads of bluffs.

Agree with the getting action policy but were not narrowing his range here pre so he's going to test us on a lot of boards with JJ here?

That's a good thing! We have a really good hand here, we quite welcome aggression, it adds value to our call.

[polerization]

Yeah with the flat call pre lads here. I think you're misapplying information in this spot. Like Pleno said, if he is folding to a lot fo 3bets, it doesn't make any sense to have JJ in your 3betting range, just peel and induce spews behind/post flops spews and 3bet loads of bluffs.

Agree with the getting action policy but were not narrowing his range here pre so he's going to test us on a lot of boards with JJ here?

That's a good thing! We have a really good hand here, we quite welcome aggression, it adds value to our call.

My point is though this guy will barrel any draw/pair/two pair hands so if the drops Q67 the over could always be scary i just think he's going to barrel a lot and were going to get caught out personal opinion though