Tourney fish in tough cash spot shocker

[TL900]

Relatively early in a session 1/2 at the hippo we have a looseish image over a small sample.

Villian been sat about 30 mins, young seemingly competent.

We are in the £5 straddle and cover table. Utg limps, villian makes it 20 (playing 400) from the HJ. 2 calls behind from £200-£250 stacks we look down at  and make it £105? Villian tanks for a couple of minutes and calls folds round.

Pot: (£255)
Flop 

Villian playing £300, we?

[George2Loose]

Puke. Bet/fold 85ish?

[stato_1]

Hilar saw George was last reply and assumed it was a hand he'd posted

[pleno1]

If we bet 85 then I wouldnt fold, too much in the middle imo.

[Rexas]

Genuinely tempted to give up here. I don't like check shoving, because we aren't blocking anything with our hand. For the same reason, it makes a useless bluffing hand.

We are not going to be ahead of our opponents range on this board. If he decided to flat with AK because he likes check folding 33% of the time, then nh. Doubt he has JJ or 10/10,  so his range is going to be mainly made up of the AA, KK, AKs hands. At its widest, we may include AQs, Akos, QQ, JJ. We're still in pretty bad shape here. I feel like we're going to get shown AA or KK a fair amount here, and while KK should fold most of the time there, seems like a horrible spot to try a bluff.

I don't like bet folding here at all, feels like a waste of money. If we are going to bet, then I think we should be moving in. I just find it hard to believe that if we check, the guy is going to bluff at us very much in a pot of this size, given that our range hits this board too, and we might be getting sneaky.

Just check and make a set OTT imo.

[zerofive]

We are not going to be ahead of our opponents range on this board. If he decided to flat with AK because he likes check folding 33% of the time, then nh. Doubt he has JJ or 10/10,  so his range is going to be mainly made up of the AA, KK, AKs hands. At its widest, we may include AQs, Akos, QQ, JJ. We're still in pretty bad shape here. I feel like we're going to get shown AA or KK a fair amount here, and while KK should fold most of the time there, seems like a horrible spot to try a bluff.

Interested to see how you managed to construct this range.

Nobody's said it yet, but I checkfold. Just very unfortunate to get this specific flop with our exact hand. Flop better next time.

[SuuPRlim]

people really only call 3bets in position with AA/KK/AK and occasionally AQ these days?

If this is the case then just call QQ pre-flop, c/f any non Qxx flop then go home and learn 2-7 triple draw.

*I'm fairly sure Matt is referring to the range of hands we get AI vs not his entire range, however I think that his stack off range will be wider than that (certainly gotta include some suited stuff) and his pre-flop range is surely a lot wider as well.

As for what to do I think you gotta bet/call or chk/fold can't see anyway to satisfactorily continue after checking OOP... He could have AK sure, he could have TT/99 sure but i think he 4b's AK at least SOME of the time (impossible to know how much) and we block some AQ's, AJ (prolly only suited) only two ATsuiteds and i dont think he's calling A[6-9] preflop, and i guess he prolly has the suited wheel Aces some aswel and obv diamonds he's defo stacking off with and we have 1 out. I guess 3 9Tsuiteds are there as well.

[WotRTheChances]

Genuinely tempted to give up here. I don't like check shoving, because we aren't blocking anything with our hand. For the same reason, it makes a useless bluffing hand.

We are not going to be ahead of our opponents range on this board. If he decided to flat with AK because he likes check folding 33% of the time, then nh. Doubt he has JJ or 10/10,  so his range is going to be mainly made up of the AA, KK, AKs hands. At its widest, we may include AQs, Akos, QQ, JJ. We're still in pretty bad shape here. I feel like we're going to get shown AA or KK a fair amount here, and while KK should fold most of the time there, seems like a horrible spot to try a bluff.

I don't like bet folding here at all, feels like a waste of money. If we are going to bet, then I think we should be moving in. I just find it hard to believe that if we check, the guy is going to bluff at us very much in a pot of this size, given that our range hits this board too, and we might be getting sneaky.

Just check and make a set OTT imo.

Yeah don't really agree with any of this. I mean obviously we're not going to try and turn QQ into a bluff here. You've got his range way way way way off. Very few of the hands you've mentioned will make up his range at all. Yeah some small % of the time he'll have flatted AA/KK or AK, but a minimal minimal amount. His range is made up of AT-AQ and a load of broadways, decent SCs and suited gappers and pairs, but we're certainly crushing his range pre.

However clearly this is a pretty horrific flop for us, all Ax peelers are ahead. AT9 2-tone just smacks a large proportion of villains range.

We could take a small stab here, getting him to fold some under-pairs and a few hands we're already ahead of, but I think i prefer just check giving up as villain is going to have flopped a decent chunk of equity the majority of the time and it's going to be tough to get to showdown even when we are ahead now.

Jamming here is obv pretty bad too. Not a big fan of bet-calling (which would obv be better than jamming), so c/f for me.

[GreekStein]

If we bet 85 then I wouldnt fold, too much in the middle imo.

this.

I make it a little smaller pre also

[SuuPRlim]

btw MAtt I think c/f is a very viable option.

[AlexMartin]

some c/f, mainly 45 though because can interpret his actions better and i think theres probably value. People that call this pre have a load of tosh a lot of the time too. Sucks that we block aq/kq which is the primary value from a c/c line.

[The Squid]

Start by checking. We have a bluff catcher. I would prob check-call.

[TL900]

ok i checked he bet 85, i folded. I really had no idea what to do though, felt like such a fish lol still not convinced whats best.

[muckthenuts]

Nobody's said it yet, but I checkfold. Just very unfortunate to get this specific flop with our exact hand. Flop better next time.

I'd do this pretty much because the alternatives aren't thrilling, i don't want to bet £85 then potentially induce or c/call and guess later on for a deece amount of bb's on a board that hits him far too well. Just not a spot i'd really feel compelled to take in live cash, c/f just can't be bad imo.

[Nit Tendencies]

I would also check/call and probably c/call a jam on bricky turns as I would expect him to pot control most of the Ax he has so he's polarised to draws and 99/TT.