WHY PROS ALWAY SAY " FIELD IS SO SOFT"

[CHIPPYMAN]

If poker comp are only design for PROS only , I bet there will be not many pros will survived in poker industry . So pros helping pros will become pros stacking pros .

Completely the opposite. Bigger the tournaments more fish want to play them so they remain soft.

As an aside this g'teed tournament stuff, i see a lot of pros trying to be clever and keeping overlays quiet. This is the most backward/short term thinking it really grates me.

If i run a casino and make a ballsy g'tee and then hear people are running about keeping it quiet do you think i will do the same again? No. We should run about drumming up punters so next time the g'tee is even bigger.

Good luck , hope when some pros spread the rumours out , u can come and win it !!

[SuuPRlim]

Whatever happened to getting it quietly?

I am referring to the concept.

you prolly don't know about the guys getting it quietly...

YOU SEE? :p

[Dry em]

If poker comp are only design for PROS only , I bet there will be not many pros will survived in poker industry . So pros helping pros will become pros stacking pros .

Completely the opposite. Bigger the tournaments more fish want to play them so they remain soft.

As an aside this g'teed tournament stuff, i see a lot of pros trying to be clever and keeping overlays quiet. This is the most backward/short term thinking it really grates me.

If i run a casino and make a ballsy g'tee and then hear people are running about keeping it quiet do you think i will do the same again? No. We should run about drumming up punters so next time the g'tee is even bigger.

Anyone running about to keep anything quiet seems to be going the wrong way about things completely

[GreekStein]

If poker comp are only design for PROS only , I bet there will be not many pros will survived in poker industry . So pros helping pros will become pros stacking pros .

Completely the opposite. Bigger the tournaments more fish want to play them so they remain soft.

As an aside this g'teed tournament stuff, i see a lot of pros trying to be clever and keeping overlays quiet. This is the most backward/short term thinking it really grates me.

If i run a casino and make a ballsy g'tee and then hear people are running about keeping it quiet do you think i will do the same again? No. We should run about drumming up punters so next time the g'tee is even bigger.

Anyone running about to keep anything quiet seems to be going the wrong way about things completely

lolol was thinking exactly that!!

[The Squid]

Thread is quite in keeping with the recent hud discussions and seems to highlight the ill feeling/resentment towards pros.

I think a lot of reactions are ott tbh. Professionals are playing for a living which generally makes them winners and better players than the norm and certainly far better than your largely amateur live tournament fields so why wouldnt they describe a field as soft? It doesnt seem to me to be insulting or offensive, usually just an accurate statement.

Its a bit boring that pros get knocked a lot lately. Yes some pros dont conduct themselves perfectly but that happens in all fields and professions. Amateurs behave worse overrall and its not even close.

Interesting discussion frankie. My post wasnt a slight at you btw - hope it didnt come across as one

I would go further than this. Think the recent focus on HUDs and Multi-tabling, aswell as other criticisms of pros are a result of the contraction in the poker economy. Other symptoms include the attacks on mid-level pros charging high MU in forums, the recent hysteria surrounding allegations of American pros ghosting and using VPN's and tougher and less reasonable staking deals being imposed on horses. These incidence are all qualitatively different but are all a result of the worsening financial situation.

As the economy worsens, edges get smaller and downswings more prolonged we may see different segments or class fragments within the community turning on each other. Either out of frustration or as a way of regaining edges. If high-stakes MTT's are having a tough time then it's a perhaps understandable reaction that they turn on mid-level pros and attack their ability to play above their bank rolls in a EPT's and the like and diminish elite pros edges. It's likely that a lot of recreational players in the tougher climate are having a tough time sustaining poker as a break-even, or slightly profitable hobby so again they go after the edges pros have with software etc. There are many other examples we could outline. 

What's important is that as a community we don't allow the bonds of solidarity between us entirely dissolve. If anything we should be looking as community to get a little bit more back from the people that provide the platform for us to play now that times are tougher. Rakeback, bonuses, lowered rake etc will only come about if as a community we are united in demanding them. 

[The Squid]

I should also say that dealers and floor staff are also part of our community. Again we hear a lot of talk about not tipping, resentment at money taken from prize-pools to pay staff and frustration at poor standards. Once again this is understandable that pros with increasingly vulnerable bank-rolls should begin to take out their frustration on another segment of there community.

This is something that we must avoid doing. If anything we should be watching vigilantly as it's likely that in tougher times gaming-providers will seek to drive down staff wages, job security and eat into there tips. As players there should be a sense of solidarity with other workers in the industry and we must be vocal in our support of good-levels of pay and as generous as we can be in the matter of tipping. 

[SuuPRlim]

Very good posts Sammy.

[Ant040689]

2) What exactly whats these weak players weak? in the make-up of a soft tournament ? Well usually its a combination of hindered technical understanding which leads ot some basic mistakes in certain spots, combined with a lack of control emotionally which = irrational decisions/big mistakes in tough situations. HOWEVER they also usually pretty smart people who despite their lack of technical poker understanding have a half decent feel for cards. They turn up, on the right day, in a good mood, get a bit lucky that the spots that get them into trouble aren't cropping up and all of a sudden this is not a "soft spot" you got a pretty fierce opponent. People think that a weaker player is always gonna be weak, and this is not true at all even pretty poor poker players are capable of hours/days of inspiration and good solid play. That's also part of the beauty of the game, imo.

People generally under-estimate people which I think isn't nessercarily a big mistake unless you're totally rigid with your judgements and not prepared to alter them.

Point 2 here is something a lot of people forget and something that really does need to be heeded. Good stuff.

[rfgqqabc]

A guy in Luton who was having a great time, turned and said to me, "How many do you have? 15k? Better get a move on"

It was level 4 or 5

Great posts Mr.Squid.

[pokerplayingfarmer]

Thought this was an apt thread for my first post

In both my full and part time professions I encounter some 'soft fields'. But in neither one do I broadcast the fact so everyone can come and spoil it.  If possible I don't want people driving in a soft field the same as I don't really want a soft cash game (my main battle ground) to be overrun by better players.

[CHIPPYMAN]

STILL DONT UNDERSTAND TILL TODAY !! # FREAKING CLUELESS

[teamonkey]

Seems quite simple to me Frankie,  they state that the field is "soft" to give the impression that they, the big "pro" are at a considerable advantage due to their much higher skillset, and therefore are have a much better chance of winning/cashing during the tournament.

This can then lead to them wanting to charge a higher markup as the backer is getting much better odds on their investment.

Doesn't stop a 1% river card coming in for a "fish" who has satallited in and is contributing to the softness though. But thats a different thread really

[CHIPPYMAN]

Seems quite simple to me Frankie,  they state that the field is "soft" to give the impression that they, the big "pro" are at a considerable advantage due to their much higher skillset, and therefore are have a much better chance of winning/cashing during the tournament.

This can then lead to them wanting to charge a higher markup as the backer is getting much better odds on their investment.

Doesn't stop a 1% river card coming in for a "fish" who has satallited in and is contributing to the softness though. But thats a different thread really

Still don't get it . If the field is easy , why sell and not invest  the lots by themself ? They don't have to share the cake if they knew they can beat the field . Still don't get it ! #CLUELESS

[blueace]

Frankie, by your answer it shows you do get it... Most people seeking staking arent doing it because they feel they are inferior to the field. They are doing it because they dont have the roll, or dont want to invest the amount required due to external factors, or are realistic as to their true odds of beating the field/variance.

[CHIPPYMAN]

Frankie, by your answer it shows you do get it... Most people seeking staking arent doing it because they feel they are inferior to the field. They are doing it because they dont have the roll, or dont want to invest the amount required due to external factors, or are realistic as to their true odds of beating the field/variance.

So what they trying to do is influence the staker that the field is beatable by saying that ? Ok got u ! Thanks