Huge turning point hand for me

[mystery721]

mysterys way of playing wont win tournaments!.............lol. go and ask thelodger how many tourneys ive won on ladbrokes! $178,000 in tournaments last year (in 9 months)

it seems that if i disagree with anyone then im wrong and cant possibly achieve anything,  but its ok for everyone to say that im wrong and my way of playing is wrong.

everyone can disagree with me , but i cant disagree with anyone else

my tourney winnings woulda been half of wot they were if i never had the discapline to lay down monster hands, just because i think every hand through to the river b4 the flop is even out doesnt mean my way of playing wont win tourneys, mikkyt u couldnt be further from the truth (how much did u make in your first year of playing)

[Royal Flush]

If you are getting 100-1 you fold pre flop?

[not gus]

Thanks alot for all the input guys. I might agree with the point that a flop like 4KQ could spell trouble for Paul if he puts me on a big pair. Thing is, my lousy 21k was less than 1/4 of his stack at the time so I cant really hurt him, even in the unlikely event st against set flops. Given that he can lay the hand down easily to any action if he misses on the flop aswell, I still think its a call. I think with hindsight Paul feels the same as he said to me several times in the latter stages "all for 3200", looking at my stack.
Just as an aside, I can't believe I haven't posted on here before. Some really excellently argued points on here - I think I will learn alot.

[mystery721]

if ur saying u know the guy has a high pair, and coz ur getting 4/1 to hit 7/1 shot at making a set, which ull need coz u know the guy has an overpair, am i right in thinking ud call every flush and straight draw when ur getting 2/1?

[not gus]

I have only 2 words to say: implied odds

[TightEnd]

great that you are enjoying the boards not gus

care to give us some "overplaying mediocre hands around the cut off position" hand analyses? 

[Bongo]

if ur saying u know the guy has a high pair, and coz ur getting 4/1 to hit 7/1 shot at making a set, which ull need coz u know the guy has an overpair, am i right in thinking ud call every flush and straight draw when ur getting 2/1?

Your implied odds are less with flush and straight draws - they're easier to see than a set, especially flushes and the call would be made in a later betting round and so your opponent will have more information about your hand.

[Dewi_cool]

Did Harrington not say you would be an idiot to fold ?

[12barblues]

if ur saying u know the guy has a high pair, and coz ur getting 4/1 to hit 7/1 shot at making a set, which ull need coz u know the guy has an overpair, am i right in thinking ud call every flush and straight draw when ur getting 2/1?

Now you are being silly.

everyone can disagree with me , but i cant disagree with anyone else

You have this entirely the wrong way round.

The problem is that you make a statement, someone posts a dissenting view and you launch into  tirades  about Ladbrokes leader board positions, tournament winnings, issue heads up challenges, etc, etc. but you never give any reasons for your views. You simply state, in effect, that you are the canine's cojones and everyone who disagrees with you is obviously inferior to your good self.

Given your robust approach to dissenting views, it is a bit much to start whingeing.

The issue here is:

I have only 2 words to say: implied odds

Given your tournament record you must have a reasoned point of view worth listening to. So, take a deep breath and make your case.

[not gus]

care to give us some "overplaying mediocre hands around the cut off position" hand analyses? 
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Very funny. I don't do that anymore, although I do love the button.

[SKIPPYSKIP]

care to give us some "overplaying mediocre hands around the cut off position" hand analyses? 

Very funny. I don't do that anymore, although I do love the button.
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and making the gutshot  on the river as well not gus

[not gus]

and making the gutshot  on the river as well not gus

Ah yes, well that was a little different. I was taking advantage of the situation (10 to go) and my stack (massive) and making alot of raises to steal blinds. I had made it 22k to go with  with the blinds at 3000/6000 and was reraised allin for another 14k by the short stack with  . Obviously I cant pass now for 14k more so we get to see 5 cards.

The flop came  turn  river  .

The second and last time I got lucky all tourney

[doubleup]

I have only 2 words to say: implied odds

You've put in nearly a quarter of your stack - where are his implied odds? 

[not gus]

You've put in nearly a quarter of your stack - where are his implied odds? 

They are in the 15k I still have in front of me and the 35k mo still has in front of him. Thats another 50k possible, plus the 11600 already in pot and 3200 more to call for him whih closes the action. The more I think about this hand the more sure I am it must be a call.

[mikkyT]

mysterys way of playing wont win tournaments!.............lol. go and ask thelodger how many tourneys ive won on ladbrokes! $178,000 in tournaments last year (in 9 months)

it seems that if i disagree with anyone then im wrong and cant possibly achieve anything,  but its ok for everyone to say that im wrong and my way of playing is wrong.

everyone can disagree with me , but i cant disagree with anyone else

my tourney winnings woulda been half of wot they were if i never had the discapline to lay down monster hands, just because i think every hand through to the river b4 the flop is even out doesnt mean my way of playing wont win tourneys, mikkyt u couldnt be further from the truth (how much did u make in your first year of playing)

In my first year of playing? Well, that would have to be 2005 since thats the first year I've played with any length of conviction. I never played online except for very early in the year, loosing a £100 deposit on crypto. After that I never went back. I was playing purely live poker in the casinos and managed a 50% ROI with a profit of around £2000.

So far for 2006, I'm in profit of $11,000. And we are just three weeks in.

But why are you turning this into a cock waving session? Nobody is saying your way is the wrong way. But in my opinion it won't win you AS MANY tournaments as you could be winning. The beauty of a debate is that we can both be right. Time to take a wee chill pill I think hehe.