AA 5/5 NLHE game vs solid opponent.

[dreenie]

Thanks Patrick that's really decent of you to be so honest with me. I do enjoy mtts yes your right and I agree it's probably what's ruined me in the long run cos I have won such large amounts so quick and don't know how to deal
With it just like I don't know how to deal with having losing sessions, but I am getting help with these things. A lot of my problems are in my head, most ppl would have lost the plot by now, I feel like I did in certain parts of the year
But I can see light at the end of this tunnel, and there are some very very nice people out there who have given me a lot of help & Support both mentally and financially.

Once I get my head sorted completely then I will try this properly whenever I have time. Getting a job for me is most important as it gives me sanity and will get me out if nothing else. I have one really really good friend who has stood by me throughout everything and I know when I'm ready to take this on he will help, he is currently trying to help me manage money better and respect things a lot more of which so far, I see a change for the better.

Ty once again and sorry for the derail, I appreciate u replying and like I said I'm always happy to learn/improve, specially when I'm not playing as much ATM.

[rfgqqabc]

We look down at red aces utg +3, the straddle is on and a recreational player has limped (I'm not 100% sure he is here for shits and giggles but it seems likely) . I make it £50. Andreas flats fairly quickly, and the limper calls.

That is why I went so big. Also the guy in the straddle would defend top 50%+ here.

I think this is possibly the only reason for a bet. If Andreas has enough respect to decide that flatting premiums such as KK/QQ here, and decides to raise the flop, then we have an easy bet, however I don't know if he respects my game enough at this moment in time to choose to flat these types of hands. I would imagine he'd flat JJ/TT a very large percentage of the time here. Basically on the river, I feel he has very few hands that actually pay me but he also rarely has me beat. Surely this makes it a check back (I certainly think for me in that specific spot in a good game vs this player, knowing I'm quitting if I lose it makes sense to check.)

I also think Andreas would be in the top 5 players least likely to be induced, especially at this moment in time where he has not lost more than 30bb in a pot in the last 6 hours.

[Nit Tendencies]

If he check raises this runout then he's just made a dodgy river check with a set. He never seems to out a foot out of line against me but maybe that's cos I'm a station

[SuuPRlim]

If he check raises this runout then he's just made a dodgy river check with a set. He never seems to out a foot out of line against me but maybe that's cos I'm a station

It's cos he's smart and has no ego, no need to tangle with other gd players too much in live cash games

Ionly played with him about 3 times but I've seen him destroy a NLHE table llike nothing I've ever seen before, get the impression he's one of those guys who turns into a steam train when he gets momentum.

[Royal Flush]

Quite a bit of tl;dr in this thread but Pleno please don't talk about balancing in this spot, its not relevant.

[pleno1]

Quite a bit of tl;dr in this thread but Pleno please don't talk about balancing in this spot, its not relevant.

Yeah I left it at one paragraph where if it was online it would have been at least 4!

[Honeybadger]

Is this Andreas Olympios? If so, he is an extremely strong NLHE player.

Agree with Pleno and Lil'Dave here. You have a top of the range bluff catcher on the flop and turn. Jamming turn only works as a protection bet vs FDs, it serves very little other purpose. We would be risking a lot of money to protect our equity in the pot. Obviously things would be different against a bad player who might play something like TPTK (or worse) like this, and call a jam. But Andreas is a very good player and is going to be pretty polarised here.

On the river, obviously things change because he has now checked. So a hand that was previously a bluff catcher can now serve as a value hand. However, it is tough to get called since Andreas likely has nothing. Thus a pretty small value bet seems best - he's probably going to fold anyway, but a small bet 'forces him' to call with a chunk of his hands that somehow have got SD value.

You are almost always ahead once he checks the river, but this is not the issue. The issue is that you are almost never going to be called by worse unless you bet small. If you jam he will likely fold almost everything except for the very rare times he has decided to do something tricky with a full house.

[Honeybadger]

Also, tough to imagine Andreas having a strong value hand here. With a set he would be fairly unlikely to raise IMO since he is forcing the (presumed) weaker player out of the pot. He'd most likely check/call a set, or lead the flop since this would be making a virtue out of his lack of relative position (leading through the weaker player into the preflop raiser).

[CHIPPYMAN]

Quite a bit of tl;dr in this thread but Pleno please don't talk about balancing in this spot, its not relevant.

Yeah I left it at one paragraph where if it was online it would have been at least 4!

Here we go again MR Patrick , another controversy " arguement " . One every day ;p

[pleno1]

edit. cba, i wasnt offensive though dw frankie!

[Honeybadger]

It is possible that Frankie just MIGHT be joking Patrick...

[CHIPPYMAN]

It is possible that Frankie just MIGHT be joking Patrick...

I was actually , ... Lol

[rfgqqabc]

Is this Andreas Olympios? If so, he is an extremely strong NLHE player.

On the river, obviously things change because he has now checked. So a hand that was previously a bluff catcher can now serve as a value hand. However, it is tough to get called since Andreas likely has nothing. Thus a pretty small value bet seems best - he's probably going to fold anyway, but a small bet 'forces him' to call with a chunk of his hands that somehow have got SD value.

You are almost always ahead once he checks the river, but this is not the issue. The issue is that you are almost never going to be called by worse unless you bet small. If you jam he will likely fold almost everything except for the very rare times he has decided to do something tricky with a full house.

Yeah it is him.

Betting small seems pretty weak, what hands does he fold to a shove, but call a small value bet? Bearing in mind I expect him to have just a ten almost never, and to have a jack he has to have raised KdJd, which seems a touch unlikely too. Virtually any small bet will put a decent amount of my stack in, and this will never look like a bluff, meaning we get called by the same hands that a shove would have (perhaps that elusive KJ in blue)

Also if he shoved over are you calling or folding or what?

[Honeybadger]

Betting small seems pretty weak, what hands does he fold to a shove, but call a small value bet? Bearing in mind I expect him to have just a ten almost never, and to have a jack he has to have raised KdJd, which seems a touch unlikely too. Virtually any small bet will put a decent amount of my stack in, and this will never look like a bluff, meaning we get called by the same hands that a shove would have (perhaps that elusive KJ in blue)

Well you can have some bluffs, like missed FDs or some weak SD stuff turned into a bluff. But asking 'what hands does he fold to a shove, but call a small value bet?" is a bit of a weird question. Of course he should call more often vs a smaller bet than vs a bigger bet! Take it to an imagined extreme if you like... if you bet one big blind he will call with any pair or even Ace high, right? You should call more often vs small bets than vs big ones.

I don't yet know what Andreas had, but apparently he has been made aware of this thread. And he says he played his hand badly. Which makes sense since I was struggling to think of (m)any hands that he would want to play this way.

[rfgqqabc]

Betting small seems pretty weak, what hands does he fold to a shove, but call a small value bet? Bearing in mind I expect him to have just a ten almost never, and to have a jack he has to have raised KdJd, which seems a touch unlikely too. Virtually any small bet will put a decent amount of my stack in, and this will never look like a bluff, meaning we get called by the same hands that a shove would have (perhaps that elusive KJ in blue)

Well you can have some bluffs, like missed FDs or some weak SD stuff turned into a bluff. But asking 'what hands does he fold to a shove, but call a small value bet?" is a bit of a weird question. Of course he should call more often vs a smaller bet than vs a bigger bet! Take it to an imagined extreme if you like... if you bet one big blind he will call with any pair or even Ace high, right? You should call more often vs small bets than vs big ones.

I don't yet know what Andreas had, but apparently he has been made aware of this thread. And he says he played his hand badly. Which makes sense since I was struggling to think of (m)any hands that he would want to play this way.

I meant his calling range seems somewhat inelastic, for example if he happened to have one of the top 3 starting hands, he is calling any bet and he has very few hands even as strong as King high in his checking range. Basically I think his river range consists of a few combos of houses, a few combos of queens and even less combos of kings and a whole bunch of 9 high (or similar) hands.