50nl zoom - for all those people that think im a nutcase - proof.

[jgcblack]

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/5859237_D3B5DAF213


someone tell me he has  or  please?

[kano]

I've never played zoom but i would struggle to fold this.

[jgcblack]

I know it seems like it doesn't run true with what people think of me; trying to win every hand; blowing up with any gutty n bkdrs etc...


but to me....
his range is - AA/ JJ/ oh and the other AA.


Esp when he looks stat wise to be a reg, think he was multi-tabling and we look like we have a BS draw or exactly 44....  I'd really hate JJ in this spot.

But as we all know, I'm a lunatic.

[Rexas]

Can't ever have AJ? Maybe AK dd/AQ dd? Not everyone is a sicko and understands flatting hands like this. Feels like we're folding almost our entire range ott if we're folding to this bet. We rarely have JJ or AA in this situation (in this guys mind, apparently he's a multi-tabling 50nl reg, doesn't necessarily make him a ridic balanced sicko) so this is very near the top of our value range. Perhaps you or I would not raise AK with diamonds in such situations, but I would not for a moment believe that others would think the same way. What happens if he 3 bets you otf? Do we fold too?

I probably get it in with this guy in this situation. If he has AA or JJ then nh sir, but I definitely feel like he bets a bunch of other hands in this way too.

Admittedly, this is one of those interesting hands where I kinda expect to get my analysis shot down by some of the sickos around here, but maybe I spend too much time attempting to flop a set on an A high board that I forget to fold it sometimes :p

Also, you don't have anything to prove! Well, I'd like you to prove that you remember where Nottingham is sometime soon, but that aside...

[kano]

I know it seems like it doesn't run true with what people think of me; trying to win every hand; blowing up with any gutty n bkdrs etc...


but to me....
his range is - AA/ JJ/ oh and the other AA.


Esp when he looks stat wise to be a reg, think he was multi-tabling and we look like we have a BS draw or exactly 44....  I'd really hate JJ in this spot.

But as we all know, I'm a lunatic.

What stats/hands do you have on him? Any history?

Struggle to think his range is that small here

[AlexMartin]

wow, rip this ott pls, ur value range is tiny but you have a tonne of semis with good equity.

[jgcblack]

I know it seems like it doesn't run true with what people think of me; trying to win every hand; blowing up with any gutty n bkdrs etc...


but to me....
his range is - AA/ JJ/ oh and the other AA.


Esp when he looks stat wise to be a reg, think he was multi-tabling and we look like we have a BS draw or exactly 44....  I'd really hate JJ in this spot.

But as we all know, I'm a lunatic.

What stats/hands do you have on him? Any history?

Struggle to think his range is that small here

its zoom so little history if any that is relevant. Pretty standard 19/17/5 pre I think but that doesn't tell me his specific utg range open.

What else does he do this with? 100bb were arrin.  But 200bb he has chosen to flat flop for this reason clearly...
It doesn't make sense to me to raise anything here... funny part is I had this exact spot reversed yesterday.

I played my AA from his spot identically except that I made my turn raise smaller.  The consensus in our chat group was that my 'minraise turn + overbet river' was the only line a reg might fold a set.

Now shoe is on the other foot and I just think he has us crushed so often.

If he 3bt flop then we wouldve been going with the hand - basically because there are too many combo draws and AK hero's to get away with it.

His line - bet/call, raise to get stacks in.....

Is not a weak one. And if he knows its 'me' then maybe he is a genius with 56cc.... but more likely... he has AA.

[jgcblack]

Anyone???

[verndog158]

Think its a very nitty fold, putting on specifically on AA or JJ as a range is surely too narrow?
Could he not have Ax of diamonds, and picked up a nit draw to go with his top pair? Think his range must surely consist of many hands, such as TP and a flush draw then purely Aces and Jacks. Jeez, im starting to sound like rexas!
Dont think i can fold it, if he has it, well played sir.

[AlexMartin]

there are some extremely simple adjustments if people are doing this incredibly bad stuff like jamming top set on the turn after a flop checkraise 200bb deep. do people not bluff in these games? or they have no followup?

[SuuPRlim]

if this is a fold then leave all the tables and play something else, what a boring game.

[SuuPRlim]

like if this isn't a snap AI then why the hell is the whole world not playing PLO? People don't like being AI anymore?

[Dubai]

if this is a fold then leave all the tables and play something else, what a boring game.

Ha was literally gonna post this nearly word for word. The day this is a fold in a game I'm in is the day I'm done

Edit- obv may well be a fold in these games I've no idea how they play. But I just wouldn't play in a game where this is a fold

[millidonk]

Literally never folding here. He can have sooooo much. A lot of players will also just be 4bing flop with AA/JJ because it has come down with 2 hearts.. which makes it even less of a fold.

Bluffs, variety of draws and combo draws , 2 pairs, top pairs loads of hands we are beating and a lot even calling a jam.

Only way I am folding is if my internet has cut out and I have ran next door, booted the old bird off her PC, downloaded stars and not been able to login quick enough..

I think you actually over think hands Mr JB. I went through a long period of doing the same and I just kept levelling myself in ridic spots. Then I remembered it is really hard to make sexy hands in pokers so if they have a better hand then good for them. "chips plz"

[muckthenuts]

I don't mind folding. It's obv not super standard but yeah i do understand your reasoning. 50nl zoom plays atrociously tight after the flop and if he's like most regs are his turn raising range has little/no bluffs and then AA/JJ/some monster draw combos for value, nothing else thinner. The latter can be reduced somewhat too if you consider some of those monster draw combos will have perceived sd value to some players. Shame you don't have much of a read, I'd prob check how many tables he was on in the lobby and if it was 3 or 4 i reckon folding turn is at least a reasonable line.