UKIPT Hand - Line check

[Eso Kral]

Level 2 of UKIPT

Villain 1 - Played solid so far and won a 60bb pot vs Villain 2 a short while ago C/R a paired board on river, seems competant.  30k starting hand

Villain 2 - Craig Mccorkell   16k starting hand

We start the hand with 28k having small balled our way and value bet well so far and after about 30mins I made a point of chatting to Craig and letting him know I knew a few of his friends just so I didnt look like this big punter with a tache and as the rest of the table were complete randoms hoping he would not be picking on me.

Blinds 50/100 so level2

Villain 1 opens UTG to 250 and Craig 3's to 850 all fold to me in SB and I flat    and o/r calls to see a flop of

     I chk and both villains chk back  (2750)

Turn    I chk, o/r chks and Craig bets 1150 which I flat with o/r folding  (5050)

River 

I chk again and Craig bets 3500 with 10500back and I  C/R  to 8500

Thoughts on all streets but turn and river especially?

[Tal]

Interesting hand.

Out of interest and before the grown ups show up:

1. What do you think Villain 2 has after the turn that we now are confident he will bet the river?

2. What was the rationale behind deciding not to c/r the full 14k on the end? Is he ever calling 8.5 and folding for the extra?

3. You seem to be playing this hand like Sir Trappy Trapperson von Trapp. Do you think you can get credit for missed diamonds by check raising on the end? It looks to me like exactly the hand you have (or JJ/KJ), cos you've sprung up at the end like a beast.

These are questions, rather than critique. The fact I wouldn't really play the hand this way is irrelevant tbh. I don't play 1k six max comps

Love the background of you chatting up the rail. I enjoy it when people underestimate my ability, though. Well, I would if it happened...

[Doobs]

You could argue for doing something different on the flop, maybe, but it all seems fine to me.  Just calling the river feels a bit too nitty.  Lot of KQs, KJs and not many JJs?  Does he fold AT and AK?  He is a good player, but they still call? 

I don't think there is much wrong here.  I am with Tal on trying to look good, I try to look bad if I can.  To be fair I don't need to try very hard sometimes.

[Eso Kral]

Interesting hand.

Out of interest and before the grown ups show up:

1. What do you think Villain 2 has after the turn that we now are confident he will bet the river?

2. What was the rationale behind deciding not to c/r the full 14k on the end? Is he ever calling 8.5 and folding for the extra?

3. You seem to be playing this hand like Sir Trappy Trapperson von Trapp. Do you think you can get credit for missed diamonds by check raising on the end? It looks to me like exactly the hand you have (or JJ/KJ), cos you've sprung up at the end like a beast.

These are questions, rather than critique. The fact I wouldn't really play the hand this way is irrelevant tbh. I don't play 1k six max comps

Love the background of you chatting up the rail. I enjoy it when people underestimate my ability, though. Well, I would if it happened...

Ok before they turn up then.

I think pre is ok although it's 6max and we are supposed to take off but we have a really good table as far as I am concerned as Craig is imo the only legit player on the table and we have good pos vs each other so I am never going to get too ool oop plus it is level 2 on a table that will not break so flatting a big hand early can maybe pay off later on in the day.

1) I felt ingame that he bets the river soo much hence checked a 3rd time.

2) In hindsight I didnt like my river play but think he will leave himself 2k on occasion as he did do later in the game and ground it out with a similar amount of bb's

3) Will come back to this.

[Eso Kral]

You could argue for doing something different on the flop, maybe, but it all seems fine to me.  Just calling the river feels a bit too nitty.  Lot of KQs, KJs and not many JJs?  Does he fold AT and AK?  He is a good player, but they still call? 

I don't think there is much wrong here.  I am with Tal on trying to look good, I try to look bad if I can.  To be fair I don't need to try very hard sometimes.

Haha it was definitely not trying to look good but for 30-40mins he was in evey pot in and oop so just dropped out "your Craig yeah?" and we started a convo about some blondes.

First 2 people I spoke to said flat river but I also thought vv nitty

[Dubai]

Hand looks pretty well played. Can't imagine ever flatting the river given the action, actually think flatting is borderline terrible. Even if he never calls our raise it's still better to not show our hand

And obv u don't want him to think anything other than you're a punter! Claypole as bad, turns up to tourneys wearing hoodies and headphones chatting to Cody and crew on the break

[BorntoBubble]

Yeh i think its fine to check raise river. We have played it trappy and have trapped if he turns up with one of the few hands that beat us then the trapper got trapped sometimes it happens. If he jams i spew up on the table and call obviously but i think its fine check raising small trying to get him to call with thinner and also meaning we dont have to show and he has to guess between like Kx hands other full houses A10 etcetc.

Im happy flatting pre also. If the board had been a bit nicer to us say Q high or even AQ etc we can win a much bigger pot by flatting pre and also keeping QQ in our range pre will be good for later in the comp when we get peeley with the old 87suited etc

[Yian]

I like the way you played it Rich. Not sure I'd change anything, maybe there's an argument for x/r turn instead. I think we get less hero folds from our opponent when raising turn, they'd probably stick around and possibly call a reasonable size river bet too. x/r the river gives him opportunity to fold a hand like AK I think.

[rfgqqabc]

I heard this hand from plinop and he didn't have preflop action right, he thought you'd flatted a single pf raise. I think you play the hand well. Perhaps leading at some point would be good. Not the flop though.

[Tal]

Because of the stack sizes, is leading the turn the way to give ourselves the best chance of getting all the money in?

That was my immediate thought, as it seems hard to get much more than we did on the river.

But, if we do lead the turn, does that change our strategy on the river? We get checked behind a lot if we try to c/r or can we get bluff raises if we bet?

As played, is QQ in the middle of our range, towards the top or quite low?

[Eso Kral]

Hand looks pretty well played. Can't imagine ever flatting the river given the action, actually think flatting is borderline terrible. Even if he never calls our raise it's still better to not show our hand

And obv u don't want him to think anything other than you're a punter! Claypole as bad, turns up to tourneys wearing hoodies and headphones chatting to Cody and crew on the break

It was you we were speaking about so he probs knows I am a punter..

[pleno1]

I heard this hand from plinop and he didn't have preflop action right, he thought you'd flatted a single pf raise. I think you play the hand well. Perhaps leading at some point would be good. Not the flop though.

no you didnt listen right!


i think hand is v v wp pre and otf. in fact perfect.

on the turn i would normally always just call, but vs his sizing i think its a clear raise and jam river as i think he goes bigger with better and can still bluffcatch us ott as our perceived range ott is still some kx especially vs his sizing but otr its wayyyyyy more nutty. i think raising river is good, but not this sizing, i would prefer to cram all in and perhaps have some missed draws in our range.

[Tal]

Eso in Nottingham?

Proper nutty

[AlexMartin]

nice hand, like every street

[Eso Kral]

Ok cool thx for replies just felt like I missed value on turn but maybe being results orientated, Craig folded JJ face up whilst telling me I had QQ and I felt exploited