Hotter55 FT spot

[lucky_scrote]

we've gotta gamble, i'm happy calling, can be ahead a fair chunk of the time and dominating more than were dominated.

question for you guys, anyone going with T9s here? or folding?

If you want to lose money, yes. If he jams any two cards calling with t9s is bad.

(17.9%) 66+,A4s+,A7o+,K9s+,KTo+,QTs+ Is around about right because there is a chance villain isn't ATC but v v wide

[action man]

im calling here vs any reg

[youthnkzR]

Think its good to call here.

[dwayne110]

What's the average hand, J-7, Q-7ish? surely have to call against the big stack bully who's shoving 9-5ss b-v-b (as he should!) ... Given the blinds are going through us, huge antes, low M, I'm calling fairly quickly in still spot... It's so the type of scenario where you find the fold then bleed away quickly... To me it's a great opportunity to get a healthy stack where we're likely +ev to win the hand and start thinking about the bigger money.

[paulhouk03]

pretty meh

I think I prefer to fold here and then jam atc next hand

[George2Loose]

pretty meh

I think I prefer to fold here and then jam atc next hand

What if the big blind calls you with QJo?

[Doobs]

What's the average hand, J-7, Q-7ish? surely have to call against the big stack bully who's shoving 9-5ss b-v-b (as he should!) ... Given the blinds are going through us, huge antes, low M, I'm calling fairly quickly in still spot... It's so the type of scenario where you find the fold then bleed away quickly... To me it's a great opportunity to get a healthy stack where we're likely +ev to win the hand and start thinking about the bigger money.

Dan had already done the maths, so saying we are frequently ahead of his range is already covered. it seems that even though we are like EV in terms of our chip stack, we are losing because of ICM.  There may be good reasons to ignore ICM, but not sure anyone is covering them.  In game I frequently call and then kick myself for not sporting the unfavourable stacks.

I am struggling to think why we should overuse ICM. When I used to play STTs, if you played frequently against the same people, you could call wider to try and force SB to tighten his range.  But I think if you do that what happens instead is that you end up in spite calling wars and it doesn't help either of you. 

Sorry if this is as unhelpful as everyone else, I think the maths just always wins in these spots.

[paulhouk03]

pretty meh

I think I prefer to fold here and then jam atc next hand

What if the big blind calls you with QJo?

We get there ?

[lolwutwasthat]

Snap ainec

[AlexMartin]

i wanna call.

+1

, we need to get all the chips right? some guy has 5mil, some more icm stuff pls

[lucky_scrote]

i wanna call.

+1

, we need to get all the chips right? some guy has 5mil, some more icm stuff pls

Alex the "Tourneys are top heavy gotta come 1st" was a thoughts process that stopped when 5/10nl couldn't be beated for 10bb/100. ICM calc says that this is just a call if he is jamming 100% here. You can fold if the other players are really bad and likely to make horrid ICM plays so you can ladder for free but if the table is reggy then you need to make correct ICM calls.

[mondatoo]

Snap ainec

I really don't understand this, someone has gone to the effort of showing that if villain is jamming 80% it's not a call, so on what planet is it not even close ?

Loads of variables that haven't been mentioned itt.

It's a fun spot.

[Derbylad]

Watched this hand play out... Confirmed final 3 were all supernova regs. Personally I'd prefer to fold and shove vs the short stack next hand (if we get the opportunity) or ladder up if someone shoves before and he/she is forced to call it off. Likely to find better spots considering and the potential 3k ladder + potential deals slightly alters the spot for me here.

Final 3 split ~ 24k 19k 19k when CL had ~5.5 compared to 2.5 and 2.4

[lucky_scrote]

Ahh interesting, I never thought about the likelihood of a deal. If it were close before, it feels that this would swing it towards a fold even more.

[lucky_scrote]

I think in game, with a few moments to act I'm right on the line with QJo. I am probably more like to fold. After all this discussion I think my calling range is pretty much anything better than QJo.