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« Reply #60 on: December 12, 2013, 12:30:20 AM »

It was clear cut cold blooded killing, much the same way as the British soldier was killed in the streets of Woolwich, anyone trying to defend either act with 'mitigating circumstances' is being far too kind.

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« Reply #61 on: December 12, 2013, 02:50:21 AM »

It was clear cut cold blooded killing, much the same way as the British soldier was killed in the streets of Woolwich, anyone trying to defend either act with 'mitigating circumstances' is being far too kind.

What a ridiculous statement..
Personally I don't condone what the Marine did at all, not whatsoever, but to compare it to the brutal murder of Lee Rigby is completely ludicrous..

Lee Rigby was run over and set upon by two men who claimed to be soldiers of Allah, they tried to behead him before warning the British public that they weren't safe. 
Lee Rigby hadn't attacked them at all, he was unarmed and the only reason his attackers identified him as a soldier was because he was wearing a camouflage back pack.. 

In the marines case, the insurgent attacked along with an accomplish had attacked the marines, the insurgent was was fatally injured by apache helicopter fire, that's when the marine found him injured and murdered him. 

They are both horrific cases in their own right, but not comparable..

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« Reply #62 on: December 12, 2013, 07:59:57 AM »

He never said they were the same just cold blooded murders
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« Reply #63 on: December 12, 2013, 09:03:52 AM »

ok, again possibly not going to improve this thread, for want of a better word, but what is the difference between a "mercy killing" and "cold blooded murder"?


from what i have read/heard/sumised, the victim was never going to survive, injuries way beyond the medical facilities that were available (probably a first field dressing or two and a morphine shot if he was lucky). So if the marine hadnt semi quoted shakespeare, and had said something along the lines of "this guy is never going to live, i'm putting him out of his misery" then shot him in the heart, would we still be having this debate? would there still have been a massive public interest?
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« Reply #64 on: December 12, 2013, 09:07:13 AM »

It was clear cut cold blooded killing, much the same way as the British soldier was killed in the streets of Woolwich, anyone trying to defend either act with 'mitigating circumstances' is being far too kind.

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« Reply #65 on: December 12, 2013, 01:12:10 PM »

ok, again possibly not going to improve this thread, for want of a better word, but what is the difference between a "mercy killing" and "cold blooded murder"?


from what i have read/heard/sumised, the victim was never going to survive, injuries way beyond the medical facilities that were available (probably a first field dressing or two and a morphine shot if he was lucky). So if the marine hadnt semi quoted shakespeare, and had said something along the lines of "this guy is never going to live, i'm putting him out of his misery" then shot him in the heart, would we still be having this debate? would there still have been a massive public interest?

Not sure what argument you're making here Mick? Elaborate? Maybe me just being 'Slow' (as always)

Mercy killing - When one assists in ending life to relieve intractable suffering.  i.e. Euthanasia

Murder - Is a premeditated act of killing one human by another.  i.e. Someone that has the intention to kill or seriously harm

Personally I'm not sure we would have been having this conversation if the Marine had used his professional judgement and deduced that the insurgent wasn't going to live, so the humane thing to do was to "put him out of his misery" but unfortunately he didn't.  

There is mitigation in this case, even though the marine seemed sound of mind and of good judgement, we can't deduce what was actually going threw his head at the time, even by the recording.  The marine spent 15 in service so his physiological state has to be questioned in mitigation, the same way the father of the girl who was raped, in US's mental state was questioned after he planned and murdered the teens responsible years after the incident

Aggravating factors that maybe relevant:
 
1) the victim was vulnerable because of age or disability
2) the abuse of a position of trust?
3) concealment, destruction or dismemberment of the body.

Mitigating factors:

1) lack of premeditation;
2) the offender suffers from a mental disorder or disability (not falling within section 2(1) of the Homicide Act 1957) which lowered his/her degree of culpability
3) the offender was provoked in a way not amounting to a defense of provocation
4) a belief by the offender that the murder was an act of mercy

My quarrel is not with the marines sentence at all, it's with naming the marine and this actually going public, but believe that there are mitigating factors to this case
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« Reply #66 on: December 12, 2013, 01:20:41 PM »

When I read strong comments about how posters would/should act in a warzone I always imagine them sitting on the sofa with a cup of tea and a rich tea biscuit.
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« Reply #67 on: December 12, 2013, 01:34:13 PM »

When I read strong comments about how posters would/should act in a warzone I always imagine them sitting on the sofa with a cup of tea and a rich tea biscuit.

 
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« Reply #68 on: December 12, 2013, 01:37:56 PM »

When I read strong comments about how posters would/should act in a warzone I always imagine them sitting on the sofa with a cup of tea and a rich tea biscuit.

Rich tea biscuits? had you down as a Hobnobs man...
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« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2013, 01:57:40 PM »

After Bloody Sunday I am surprised that anyone is surprised by the actions on the British Army.  Its far too easy to say that its just a few bad apples but there are countless episodes of military personnel being involved in the illicit and unlawful killings of both combatants and non-combatants. 

Obviously not all servicemen and woman are bad apples but its far more than is reported imho. 
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« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2013, 02:00:35 PM »

Lolz, can't we stick with just one emotive thread for today plz.

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« Reply #71 on: December 13, 2013, 02:26:04 PM »

When I read strong comments about how posters would/should act in a warzone I always imagine them sitting on the sofa with a cup of tea and a rich tea biscuit.

Rich tea biscuits? had you down as a Hobnobs man...
well we have PHA board surely we can have a WZA thread
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« Reply #72 on: December 13, 2013, 03:23:44 PM »

When I read strong comments about how posters would/should act in a warzone I always imagine them sitting on the sofa with a cup of tea and a rich tea biscuit.

Rich tea biscuits? had you down as a Hobnobs man...
well we have PHA board surely we can have a WZA thread

Lol @Mantis at not reading the posts... Read the posts then reply, instead of making assumptions...
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« Reply #73 on: December 13, 2013, 04:10:53 PM »

As a current serviceman and just got back from Afghan. I think the fact he video'd or at least made it public shows a slight arrogance  and that he was proud of it?! Although I don't condone his actions his situation is horrible, he was in one of the worst parts of Afghan and it's ridiculous your under attack at random times through the day every day for 6 months- This means your adrenaline is pumped nearly the whole time after constantly fire fighting and  watching there friends and colleagues get killed with no outlet for there anger or a chance mourn. Theyre also hugely sleep deprived without the chance to rest,

So before writing a answer think about these points-

They might of been on there feet for the last 22 hrs with 60kg on there back fighting for the life had a couple of hours sleeping minutes for a shit breakfast and then back at it again.
 

Think how you feel when you lose someone you love let alone when there taken unfairly- if you've ever been unfortunate to lose someone to a drunk driver etc put that hate and anger and and all the other factors this guy had + its happened multiple times and hes facing the guy who possibly did it.



I am no way condoning it and he is trained to react necessarily in these situations but i do feel that all these "throw away the key" and hatred towards him is highly unfair!
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« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2013, 05:17:54 PM »

When I read strong comments about how posters would/should act in a warzone I always imagine them sitting on the sofa with a cup of tea and a rich tea biscuit.

Rich tea biscuits? had you down as a Hobnobs man...
well we have PHA board surely we can have a WZA thread

Lol @Mantis at not reading the posts... Read the posts then reply, instead of making assumptions...

What did I assume?

I posted the image I have in my head...which is a fact.

You were the one assuming...because you assumed I liked Hobnobs...which is actually true...but hey it might not have been.
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